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Re: Roles, multiple bodies, and creating wiki page of potential solution

From: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:31:13 -0700
Message-ID: <CABevsUGVf6HJ6E+QVzYk0ScZSPRPgG1zidPq4DHcnqDnEe8Gvg@mail.gmail.com>
To: t-cole3 <t-cole3@illinois.edu>
Cc: W3C Public Annotation List <public-annotation@w3.org>
Yes, that's right :)

Rob

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Timothy Cole <t-cole3@illinois.edu> wrote:

> Posting my reply to the list as you suggested (I was initially focused on
> the administrivia of getting the wiki page going, not the details of Ray's
> solution).
>
>
>
> To continue on with your strawman illustrating Ray's role assignment
> approach -- If I wanted to use a blank node for the Embedded Textual
> Resource in your example, would this be the JSON?
>
>
>
> {
>
>   "@id": "http://example.org/anno1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>
> ",
>
>   "@type": "Annotation",
>
>   "motivation": "bookmarking",
>
>   "body": [
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "_:n1",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "Come back and read this page about Paris."
>
>     },
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag1",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "paris"
>
>     },
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
> ",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "MustRead"
>
>     }
>
>   ],
>
>   "target":  "@id": "http://example.org/paris.html
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>
> ",
>
>   "roles": [
>
>     {"role": "commenting", "for": "_:n1"},
>
>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
> "},
>
>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
> "}
>
>   ]
>
> }
>
> -Tim Cole
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Sanderson [mailto:azaroth42@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:19 PM
> *To:* t-cole3 <t-cole3@illinois.edu>; Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> *Cc:* Denenberg, Ray <rden@loc.gov>; Frederick Hirsch <w3c@fjhirsch.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Web Annotation -- New Wiki page
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Timothy Cole <t-cole3@illinois.edu> wrote
> (edited/updated):
>
> My take away from today's WG call  is that we need:
>
> 1)  a complete, concrete annotation example or 2 based on Ray's proposed
> solution in Turtle as well as JSON-LD, and
>
>
>
> Yup, I propose the simple bookmark export use case, rather than the edits
> with custom motivations.
>
>
>
>
>
>  2) a wiki page that integrates this/these examples (adding JSON/JSON-LD)
> with representative examples of currently supported approach and other
> proposed solutions still under discussion.
>
>
>
> Yep, and the priority being 1 then 2.
>
>
>
>  All examples on the wiki page would be serialized in both JSON/JSON-LD
> and Turtle.
>
>  Am I right that I should take the lead on 2 (creating the wiki page)?
>
>
>
> As a strawperson for 1:
>
>
>
> {
>
>   "@id": "http://example.org/anno1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>
> ",
>
>   "@type": "Annotation",
>
>   "motivation": "bookmarking",
>
>   "body": [
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "http://example.org/comment1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>
> ",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "Come back and read this page about Paris."
>
>     },
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
> ",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "paris"
>
>     },
>
>     {
>
>       "@id": "http://example.org/tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
> ",
>
>       "@type": "EmbeddedContent",
>
>       "value": "MustRead"
>
>     }
>
>   ],
>
>   "target":  "@id": "http://example.org/paris.html
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>
> ",
>
>   "roles": [
>
>     {"role": "commenting", "for": "http://example.org/comment1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>
> "},
>
>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>
> "},
>
>     {"role": "tagging", "for": "http://example.org/tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>
> "}
>
>   ]
>
> }
>
>
>
> Turtle (hand written, please verify)
>
>
>
> <http://example.org/anno1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_anno1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=DmFqIJtEzhqkaDeDwf6E9PYx-7GLfzTUCq9-ZWq4FC0&e=>>
> a oa:Annotation ;
>
>   oa:motivatedBy oa:bookmarking ;
>
>   oa:hasTarget <http://example.org/paris.html
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_paris.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=5w8OVOI-tWa9ONYZqozWv0FlDWxM6W8hHvg10fSR9_o&e=>>
> ;
>
>   oa:hasBody <http://example.org/comment1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>,
> <http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>,
> <http://example.org.tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org.tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=yNA7EnbXC05mh2eXtBr6jIOP4LyLayVx5uiO6yUBRxM&e=>>
> ;
>
>   oa:hasRole [
>
>     oa:role oa:commenting ;
>
>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/comment1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>
> ],
>
>     [
>
>     oa:role oa:tagging ;
>
>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
> ],
>
>     [
>
>     oa:role oa:tagging ;
>
>     oa:roleFor <http://example.org/tag2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag2&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=VSOMbmuGR41XHMJ5xpJJpxSGDgoi0WzTXC22Q7wg_rc&e=>>
> ] .
>
>
>
> <http://example.org/comment1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_comment1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=_oibSjDeFz1gR9uFc6RosvefyN_DZ3CZZL3dJzclHDQ&e=>>
> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>
>   rdf:value "Come back and read this page about Paris" .
>
>
>
> <http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>
>   rdf:value "paris" .
>
>
>
> <http://example.org/tag1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__example.org_tag1&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=zjI0r-H6xRs5fYf2_jJkju6US9ijk0nLw4ns2nuwU2k&m=cJqARgr41lCItdetoau46NrfOtmYXb1XEdEOItktpAs&s=wAyNglO23dQpoSvolgABgz7hAVHB8O7AeVPohr98ee4&e=>>
> a oa:EmbeddedResource ;
>
>   rdf:value "MustRead" .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Some initial observations:
>
> * All bodies need URIs to be referred to from the role.  Meaning that
> clients creating the annotation would have to assign, for example, a UUID
> or blank node identifier.
>
> * There's no need to have the Tag class and the role :) So if we're
> adopting this we can drop Tag and SemanticTag :)
>
> * I don't think we have a use case where the exact same resource is both a
> body AND a target, but it would be potentially ambiguous if that were true,
> and the same role could be used as both a body role and target role.
>
>
>
> R
>
>
>
> --
>
> Rob Sanderson
>
> Information Standards Advocate
>
> Digital Library Systems and Services
>
> Stanford, CA 94305
>



-- 
Rob Sanderson
Information Standards Advocate
Digital Library Systems and Services
Stanford, CA 94305
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