Re: register vs registry/ note to self and others

Given that many of our discussions have a semantic thread and that the core
of a well defined KG is some form of taxonomy (e.g. ontology) ... I propose
that the foundation of an AI Register/ Registry needs to be a controlled
vocabulary.

If we have agreement on that - I will schedule  a series of online meetings
focused on creating a ' KG Taxonomy for an AI Register'

comments please

Carl Mattocks
co-chair AIKRCG
It was a pleasure to clarify


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 8:17 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
wrote:

> LJ Garcia and all
>
> In relation to an earlier discussion about creating a schema for a
> register/registry for ethical AI
> (have since starting revising the use of the term ethical AI, but you know
> what I mean)
>
> in the earlier thread below
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/2021Feb/0005.html
>
>  I pointed to the use of the word register (in the context of a UK
> parliamentary initiative)
> well, actually for completeness, I d like to point to several instances of
> the term registry
> maybe the term Register is more in use in UK and Registry in US
>
> https://docs.confluent.io/platform/current/schema-registry/index.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> LJ
>>
>> KG as KR
>> I hope I can have a discussion with you about the suitability of KG as KR
>> I have developed a checklist for the evaluation of  KR and maybe you can
>> help me
>> future out if KGs meet the adequacy criteria
>>
>> regarding the register, last fall (time goes so quickly) I attended a
>> launch event for
>> a report by algorithm watch
>> https://algorithmwatch.org/en/press-release-automating-society-2020/
>> There they make some recommendations, including for a registry
>>
>> crease the transparency of ADM systems by establishing public registers
>> for ADM systems used within the public sector and by introducing
>> legally-binding data access frameworks to support and enable public
>> interest research;
>>
>> (see the bottom of the link for more recommendations)
>>
>> But I dont think a registry is feasible without massive overhead
>> and centralization,
>>
>>  after bouncing off some ideas here with Carl and Owen who
>> were also thinking registry (not sure in relation to the same initiative)
>> I suggested that working on a public schema for a registry should be
>> feasible for us, ie a set of data/requirements that can be used by public
>> authorities and /or software developers/owners to ensure their AI is
>> trustworthy,  Even just to publish a schema/specification for the registry
>> is going to require commitment
>>
>> regarding stratML , please search our mailing list of extensive
>> references and pointers to resources and if you cannot find
>> them email Owen will point you
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/
>>
>> Thank you for joining and I ll soon send a summary of recent published
>> work
>> and talks
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:11 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paola, all,
>>>
>>> I work with semantic web and linked data in life sciences so I guess I
>>> am one of those that find knowledge graphs as a good KR. I use semantic
>>> approaches to combine data and do some knowledge discovery / data analytics
>>> there, so I understand better the data and what I can get out of it.
>>>
>>> I have not been able to get much information about StrathML, google
>>> seems to get confused with the term and does not give me much. Any link you
>>> can provide?
>>>
>>> Regarding a schema for ethical AI, I could be interested in it but would
>>> need to understand better what you mean. I have worked with schema.org
>>> to add markup/metadata to webpages. Let's suppose you expose your AI tool
>>> on a portal or so, would the schema you have in mind describe the AI tool
>>> with some properties regarding ethical aspects?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:15 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LJ,
>>>> please tell us about your topic and your interest in AI KR
>>>>
>>>> I ll be posting some updates soon at my end
>>>> My vision for KR is that is pretty much the center of the known
>>>> universe, in the sense that
>>>> humans relate to the world around them through cognition
>>>> From KR depends everything that is shared/collective, that is made
>>>> explicit and communicated and subject to norms
>>>> That is quite a lot. Now that some level of AI is used in every system
>>>> KR is becoming more important
>>>> But it has not evolved much. I dont think kg (Knowledge Graphs) are
>>>> reliable KR methods. Do you have opinions
>>>> on that?
>>>> I dont need KR in the same way for our own internal world
>>>> this is perhaps more the realm of Cognitive AI
>>>>
>>>> I am pursuing my vision by pitching papers - had a few abstracts and
>>>> papers and talks on the subject
>>>> accepted,  and started this group in the hope the message trickles
>>>> It has trickled, as people have started picking up on the topics we
>>>> share here and discuss them
>>>> elsewhere, for some reason :-)
>>>>
>>>> There is a lot of interesting material and I think I ll start by
>>>> publishing a concept map of what is going on
>>>>
>>>> StrathML is great but fits a bit like a straightjacket for my madness
>>>> at the moment :-)
>>>>
>>>> The last meaningful ideas was a schema for Ethical AI repos written in
>>>> StrathML or something
>>>> which i hope goes ahead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> pdm
>>>>
>>>> PDM
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:07 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Paola,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your reply. StratML meetings would be too specific for me,
>>>>> great to learn but out of my topic right now to not enough time to engage.
>>>>> I will keep a closer eye to the mailing list to learn more from
>>>>> discussions and so on. If I see I can contribute somehow, I will do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 3:22 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> LJ
>>>>>> Thanks for the PIng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl and Owen have been organising meetings focussed on a specific
>>>>>> topic StrathML
>>>>>> but we can set up meetings anytime, with any focus-
>>>>>> Let us know what you work on, what is your interest and vision for
>>>>>> the participation in this group
>>>>>> and we maybe set up a call to focus on any topic that may be of
>>>>>> interest to you and others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PDM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:13 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have partially followed discussions going on on the mailing list
>>>>>>> but this year would like to be more active. I think there is a monthly
>>>>>>> meeting? If yes, could you please remind me the details?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>