Re: register vs registry/ note to self and others

Carl, Thanks
Yes, that sounds sensible, and a good, feasible and possibly useful
action
We need to find a representative set of stakeholders, and I d suggest
we start by identifying related projects/initiatives, agreeing on
definitions (such as controlled vocabulary vs taxonomy vs registry/er  vs
schema etc)
and project scope.
If the calls take place compatibility with my timezone I d
definitely participate
thank you
PDM

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On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 11:14 PM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Given that many of our discussions have a semantic thread and that the
> core of a well defined KG is some form of taxonomy (e.g. ontology) ... I
> propose that the foundation of an AI Register/ Registry needs to be a
> controlled vocabulary.
>
> If we have agreement on that - I will schedule  a series of online
> meetings focused on creating a ' KG Taxonomy for an AI Register'
>
> comments please
>
> Carl Mattocks
> co-chair AIKRCG
> It was a pleasure to clarify
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 8:17 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> LJ Garcia and all
>>
>> In relation to an earlier discussion about creating a schema for a
>> register/registry for ethical AI
>> (have since starting revising the use of the term ethical AI, but you
>> know what I mean)
>>
>> in the earlier thread below
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/2021Feb/0005.html
>>
>>  I pointed to the use of the word register (in the context of a UK
>> parliamentary initiative)
>> well, actually for completeness, I d like to point to several instances
>> of the term registry
>> maybe the term Register is more in use in UK and Registry in US
>>
>> https://docs.confluent.io/platform/current/schema-registry/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LJ
>>>
>>> KG as KR
>>> I hope I can have a discussion with you about the suitability of KG as KR
>>> I have developed a checklist for the evaluation of  KR and maybe you can
>>> help me
>>> future out if KGs meet the adequacy criteria
>>>
>>> regarding the register, last fall (time goes so quickly) I attended a
>>> launch event for
>>> a report by algorithm watch
>>> https://algorithmwatch.org/en/press-release-automating-society-2020/
>>> There they make some recommendations, including for a registry
>>>
>>> crease the transparency of ADM systems by establishing public registers
>>> for ADM systems used within the public sector and by introducing
>>> legally-binding data access frameworks to support and enable public
>>> interest research;
>>>
>>> (see the bottom of the link for more recommendations)
>>>
>>> But I dont think a registry is feasible without massive overhead
>>> and centralization,
>>>
>>>  after bouncing off some ideas here with Carl and Owen who
>>> were also thinking registry (not sure in relation to the same
>>> initiative) I suggested that working on a public schema for a registry
>>> should be feasible for us, ie a set of data/requirements that can be used
>>> by public authorities and /or software developers/owners to ensure their AI
>>> is trustworthy,  Even just to publish a schema/specification for the
>>> registry is going to require commitment
>>>
>>> regarding stratML , please search our mailing list of extensive
>>> references and pointers to resources and if you cannot find
>>> them email Owen will point you
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/
>>>
>>> Thank you for joining and I ll soon send a summary of recent published
>>> work
>>> and talks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:11 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paola, all,
>>>>
>>>> I work with semantic web and linked data in life sciences so I guess I
>>>> am one of those that find knowledge graphs as a good KR. I use semantic
>>>> approaches to combine data and do some knowledge discovery / data analytics
>>>> there, so I understand better the data and what I can get out of it.
>>>>
>>>> I have not been able to get much information about StrathML, google
>>>> seems to get confused with the term and does not give me much. Any link you
>>>> can provide?
>>>>
>>>> Regarding a schema for ethical AI, I could be interested in it but
>>>> would need to understand better what you mean. I have worked with
>>>> schema.org to add markup/metadata to webpages. Let's suppose you
>>>> expose your AI tool on a portal or so, would the schema you have in mind
>>>> describe the AI tool with some properties regarding ethical aspects?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:15 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LJ,
>>>>> please tell us about your topic and your interest in AI KR
>>>>>
>>>>> I ll be posting some updates soon at my end
>>>>> My vision for KR is that is pretty much the center of the known
>>>>> universe, in the sense that
>>>>> humans relate to the world around them through cognition
>>>>> From KR depends everything that is shared/collective, that is made
>>>>> explicit and communicated and subject to norms
>>>>> That is quite a lot. Now that some level of AI is used in every system
>>>>> KR is becoming more important
>>>>> But it has not evolved much. I dont think kg (Knowledge Graphs) are
>>>>> reliable KR methods. Do you have opinions
>>>>> on that?
>>>>> I dont need KR in the same way for our own internal world
>>>>> this is perhaps more the realm of Cognitive AI
>>>>>
>>>>> I am pursuing my vision by pitching papers - had a few abstracts and
>>>>> papers and talks on the subject
>>>>> accepted,  and started this group in the hope the message trickles
>>>>> It has trickled, as people have started picking up on the topics we
>>>>> share here and discuss them
>>>>> elsewhere, for some reason :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot of interesting material and I think I ll start by
>>>>> publishing a concept map of what is going on
>>>>>
>>>>> StrathML is great but fits a bit like a straightjacket for my madness
>>>>> at the moment :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> The last meaningful ideas was a schema for Ethical AI repos written in
>>>>> StrathML or something
>>>>> which i hope goes ahead
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> pdm
>>>>>
>>>>> PDM
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:07 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Paola,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. StratML meetings would be too specific for me,
>>>>>> great to learn but out of my topic right now to not enough time to engage.
>>>>>> I will keep a closer eye to the mailing list to learn more from
>>>>>> discussions and so on. If I see I can contribute somehow, I will do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 3:22 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LJ
>>>>>>> Thanks for the PIng
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl and Owen have been organising meetings focussed on a specific
>>>>>>> topic StrathML
>>>>>>> but we can set up meetings anytime, with any focus-
>>>>>>> Let us know what you work on, what is your interest and vision for
>>>>>>> the participation in this group
>>>>>>> and we maybe set up a call to focus on any topic that may be of
>>>>>>> interest to you and others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PDM
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:13 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have partially followed discussions going on on the mailing list
>>>>>>>> but this year would like to be more active. I think there is a monthly
>>>>>>>> meeting? If yes, could you please remind me the details?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>