Re: generic parsers

Thank you Owen
yes I understand that query interface may not be part of Stratml
it is however what makes it useful/usable

In principle anyone can build structured documents or performance schemas
without using a standard (not trying to diminish the value of standards at
all)
and use a variety of methods to parse/query

Since Straml is offered, its going to be nice to see/demo its application
facilitated by an online wizard
in addition to Stratnav. I wonder if StratNav may end up incorporating the
wizard

G

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:29 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

> Here are the points I'd add to this exchange:
>
>    1. Presentation/styling is not part of the StratML standard itself.
>    The focus of the standard is the *substance* and *structure* of the
>    content of strategic and performance plans and reports.  It is up to tool,
>    app, and service developers to leverage the semantics and structure of the
>    schema to enable discovery and presentation in ways most useful to their
>    stakeholders.
>    2. The <PerformanceIndictor> elements of the StratML schema *enable*
>    the capture and presentation of the kind of performance progress data you
>    reference in your message.  While beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
>    Chris has demonstrated the basic capability to present such quantitative
>    performance indicator data in his app.  I look forward to seeing how it
>    presents longer time-series of such data.  It will also be interesting to
>    see how *qualitative* performance indicators can most usefully be
>    presented, e.g., by red, yellow, green markings.
>    3. The instruction on how to enhance query parsing at
>    https://www.searchtechnologies.com/search-query-parsing is aimed at
>    improving full-text query capabilities, which by definition do *not*
>    take advantage of the structure and semantics of schemas, like the StratML
>    schemas. Eventually, query services that do so will enable not merely
>    discovery of entire documents in which queried terms appear but more
>    explicit reference (direct links) to the elements in which those terms
>    occur, like this
>    <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/AIKRCGforComment.xml#_5d94e454-83e9-11e8-8f10-5ac7e53a5ccc>
>    .
>    4. I defer to Carl to share the details for our next televideo
>    conference on Tuesday, May 12, when we will continue fleshing our our
>    draft plan
>    <https://www.stratnavapp.com/StratML/Part1/413d648b-bd36-418d-af74-e15b0cd8281d/Styled>
>    in Chris' StratNavApp.
>
> Owen
>
> On 5/7/2020 4:24 AM, Chris Fox wrote:
>
> Hi Paola,
>
> Yes, StratNavApp.com does what you suggest, and is able to represent that
> in StratML. The tweaking that we talked about is purely presentation,
> rather than functional.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Chris
>
> On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 05:06, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Owen
>> thanks- Jorge answered the question already (what I dont know yet if
>> there  is a wizard online installed somewhere already on the web, I am not
>> likely to install one myself)
>>
>> Let me be more precise when I think parser in relation to strtml I mean a
>> query parser
>> https://www.searchtechnologies.com/search-query-parsing
>> a parser that enables me to query a st of strtml documents according to
>> different variables
>>
>> I may be able to attend the meeting next week.?
>> Pls enter details here!
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit&section=5
>>
>>
>>  Stratnav as I understand it so far has a slight modelling issue. the way
>> I see it
>> - that can be easily fixed since Chris says he is thinking of tweaking
>> things
>>
>> for each performance plan, the user should input a set of desired target
>> (say for this year my performance should be publish 4 papers)
>>
>> then, throughout the period of the plan. the user would be able to input
>> the targets one by one as they are met
>> (I should be able to input the papers one by one as they are published)
>>
>> thus. the performance function/graph should show incremental progress
>>
>> I am not sure stratnav does that yet, but that would be an essential
>> functionality to have
>> (to show the incremental progress towards a perfomance plan by tracking
>> the targets)
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:28 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paola, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying.
>>>
>>> By generic "parser" I'm guessing that you mean an application that can
>>> select out goal and objective statements from unstructured ("natural
>>> language") text and render them in StratML format.  If so, I am unaware of
>>> any tool that can do that.
>>>
>>> However, Pradeep Jain and his colleagues at Ictect have previously
>>> developed a template for use in MS Word, from which their patented
>>> technology rendered StratML.  If sufficient demand were to arise from MS
>>> Word users, I trust they'd be happy to update the template to work with the
>>> latest version of Word.  https://stratml.us/index.htm#Ictect
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if by "produce an output based on a StratML URL
>>> input," you mean exactly what those words say, Alain Barbet's XForm for
>>> StratML Part 2 can do that, at
>>> http://waterland.freeboxos.fr:8009/Part2Form.xml  You can try it with
>>> this URL, if you'd like:  https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/AIKRCGwStyle.xml
>>> Or you can just click on this link
>>> <http://stratml.us/forms/walt5.pl?url=http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/AIKRCG.xml>
>>> and the file will automatically open in the XForm for editing.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping Jorge's "wizard" version of the StratML forms will soon have
>>> similar capabilities.
>>>
>>> In any event, the advantage of using either his StratML application or
>>> Chris's StratNavApp is that they are backed by databases, whereas files
>>> created in the XForms must be saved locally and then manually posted
>>> somewhere on the Web, e.g., via the hypertext index I have been maintaining
>>> at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm  The trade-off is that giving
>>> users rights to write to the database means Chris and Jorge also need to
>>> manage UIDs & passwords, overhead I have not wanted to take on myself.
>>>
>>> Chris' app also has many other features to help organizations and groups
>>> craft better plans, including the capability to work collaboratively
>>> together to edit and comment on them.  The group that Carl has been leading
>>> began doing that last week and plans to continue fleshing out our plan
>>> during our televideo conference next Tuesday.  We moved the time up an hour
>>> to accommodate your schedule and I hope you'll be able to join us.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to the day that a sufficient number of dynamic
>>> StratML indices are semi-automatically maintained by others on the Web so
>>> that I can stop manually maintaining my static hypertext listing.  Ideally,
>>> those repositories would not only provide the query capabilities outlined
>>> here
>>> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15446932-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb>
>>> but also have the capability to notify each other of additions to the
>>> collection.
>>>
>>> If the StratML standard were to begin to attract sufficient usage, I
>>> trust that Andre Cusson may wish to re-initiate work on his StratML
>>> portal <https://stratml.us/index.htm#Cusson>, that the folks at Ximdex
>>> may want to reengineer their StratML query service
>>> <http://space.ximdex.net/stratml-portal/> to take advantage of the
>>> structure and semantics of the schema, and that Pooyan Zamanian may wish to
>>> elevate the visibility of his StratML portal
>>> <https://stratml.us/index.htm#Pooyan> (in Farsi).  Perhaps Esri might
>>> also be enticed to re-initiate their StratML portal
>>> <https://stratml.us/index.htm#ESRI> to provide geospatial referencing
>>> services.
>>>
>>> In large measure, that depends upon whether potential users recognize
>>> the value and importance of using the StratML standard but, of course, that
>>> is a chicken-or-egg situation.  As Steve Jobs famously said, it's not the
>>> role of customers to know what they want; it is the role of entrepreneurs
>>> to show them... and, after seeing it (like the iPhone) they quickly come to
>>> feel they simply must have it.  That's why I'm so anxious to see what Jorge
>>> and other developers can do.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.  If you have further questions, just let us know.
>>> Hope to see and hear from you during our televideo conference on Tuesday.
>>> I trust Carl will be sending out a reminder with the connection info.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>> On 5/6/2020 8:14 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sounds great
>>> If you could circulate a web based version of parser that can produce an
>>> output based on stratml ulr inputs
>>> we can play around with it and let you know-
>>> I am not likely to download a parser to my machine that would not work
>>> for me
>>> Does it make sense?
>>> thank you
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Jorge Sanchez <jorge@vionta.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paola,
>>>>
>>>> From what I remember you can use antlr.org <https://www.antlr.org> to
>>>> define and interpret grammars. Xml would be an easy task for Antlr, but no
>>>> need to do it as there are a myriad of pre-built tools that we can use for
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> *"is the wizard you are working on going to have an online interface?"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it definitely has. Multilingual (English and Spanish by now).The
>>>> form is provided in two ways:
>>>>       - Anyone can download and use the client side form. It can be
>>>> deployed in a HTTP server and integrated with a regular HTTP REST endpoint.
>>>> Config can be adjusted using the config.xml file.
>>>>       - Anyone can deploy the JEE application on a compliant
>>>> Java/Jakarta EE server. It would require to adjust the user permissions or
>>>> just disable them (check the role names on the web.xml).
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback would be great. Although at this point I expect that
>>>> anyone that use it would require some level of assistance. The main goal is
>>>> that any organization can use it to build their internal plan repository.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- On Tue, 05 May 2020 13:33:25 +0200 *Paola Di Maio
>>>> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>>* wrote ----
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>> you say that antrl doesnt work with xml?
>>>>
>>>> is the wizard you are working on going to have an online interface?
>>>> something we can enter the urls to be parsed with pointers to specific
>>>> fields we want
>>>> to query
>>>> would you like user input /requirements for the wizard?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:29 PM Jorge Sanchez <jorge@vionta.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paola,
>>>>
>>>> Antlr is a well known tool for grammars. Anyway at StratML we rely on
>>>> Xml schemas to describe and analyze the domain.
>>>>
>>>> The original form is at Owens github (also on the stratml.us site):
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/OwenAmbur/StratML
>>>>
>>>> You can find also the latest status of the wizard form at Vionta site
>>>> (standalone client side):
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vionta/StratML/tree/master/forms/wizard
>>>>
>>>> Or the full web application (Java/Jakarta + maven) with the wizard form
>>>> at:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vionta/stratml-web-app
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- On Mon, 04 May 2020 14:38:10 +0200 *Paola Di Maio
>>>> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>* wrote ----
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of open source tools that ( they say)  should be
>>>> able to parse structured text
>>>> I found antlr https://www.antlr.org/
>>>> do people know of others?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if we should/could evaluate existing tools to see if they can
>>>> do the job befor building an ad hoc one
>>>>
>>>> In addition, I t would be interesting to see the approach for jorge's
>>>> parsers for stratml
>>>> is this work being done somewhere visible like githug or is it
>>>> happening offline?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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