RE: Adding CL extension of RULEML to list of normative/non-normative reference material

Hi Carl,
We already have this list (with 9 current resources): https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/knowledge-sources-for-ai-kr/


I think we should improve the presentation of the list we have rather than creating a new one. Assuming that’s what you were proposing. If you were asking for agreement on including that specific paper in the list, then fine. I don’t think each addition needs group agreement given that the form already asks the contributor to rate and speak to its relevance.

Regards,
Pete

From: carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2020 3:18 PM
To: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
Subject: Adding CL extension of RULEML to list of normative/non-normative reference material

Members:

is anyone against having a curated list of normative/non-normative reference material that includes the paper (which speaks to a CL extension of RULEML)

http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf   XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup Language


thanks

Carl Mattocks
co-Chair AIKR CG


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:31 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com<mailto:carlmattocks@gmail.com>> wrote:
All AIKR :
Regarding CL - as a candidate for our curated list of normative/non-normative reference material - please review the paper that  speaks to a CL extension of RULEML

http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf   XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup Language

I will send a follow on 'vote please' email after January 31

thanks for your participation

Carl Mattocks
CarlMattocks@WellnessIntelligence.Institute<mailto:CarlMattocks@WellnessIntelligence.Institute>

It was a pleasure to clarify


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:39 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com<mailto:metadataportals@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Can I suggest we stick to StratML and CL which is the basis for conceptual structures (see http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/cg4cs.pdf)?

This way we know we are applying standards in the to be developed general common frame of reference for AI and KR.

Will get back on this and my mission statemennt.

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:49:24 AM AST, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com<mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote:


Owen

The whole purpose of life is about making aspirations true, compatibly with everything else

I think a small demo of an automated agents that monitors  certain key parameters written in xml     is perfectly feasible, given a set of rules, , as a proof of concept
I generally only do only what is within my immediate reach
Here is a way it could be done:
have a parameter set of CG overall goals,
for each member have a set of actions contributing to CG goals
run the agent periodically to check the status of the actions against the goals
I am fairly sure we can find a 10 years old to help us write it :-)

Large scale real world implementations may not be feasible
because too many people need to be consulted, and too many people
have conflicting views, and there is too much speculation and profiteering
Technologies that dont cost much (other than server and developer time perhaps)
tend not to be popular

So lets think of implementing a working prototype and surely it will take shape at some point.
At a minimum, as they used to say, we can prove that we can eat our own dog food :-0D




On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net<mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote:

Please, Paola, stop.  You're about to put me over the edge.

I've long been dreaming about engaging a bunch of students in a brigade to do for public agencies what they should be doing for themselves, i.e., publishing their performance plans and reports in an open, standard, machine-readable format like StratML.  While I've been hoping it might happen in India, I can't imagine the Chinese or Russian government, for example, would stand for that but, hey, I love to be proven wrong ... about such delirious dreams.

Far short of that, it would be wonderful if someone could develop a query service that leverages the semantics and structure of the StratML schema as per the requirements outlined at Query/Discovery<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15446932-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb> - Enable not only full-text but also faceted querying and discovery of discrete elements of StratML documents.

There are more than 4,000 plans in the StratML collection<http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm> that can be used for demonstration purposes.  Hopefully, someday the collection will become too valuable to ignore or, at least, to treat as any old unstructured information, as the incumbent full-text indexing services apparently do.

Owen
On 1/6/2020 9:04 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
:-)  lots of features to play with

ha ha,  not sure if I would like an agent to remind me I am behind
with my own goals but technically, neat possibility

Let's work on  the idea of a possible demo implementation/prototype -

I design web services (workflow, general specs etc), do not write the implementation code for which generally I pair with a coder

can find some students who may want to do so, or coud even set out to
spend ten minutes a week towards learning how to implement myself so that the geeks on this list could either help or slam

P

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:46 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net<mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote:

Don't get me too excited, Paola. I can only stand so much fun.  However, at the risk of becoming delirious, I invite attention to these StratML tool, app, and service requirements related to monitoring and nudging:

Goal 7: Analysis<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384f48a-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb> - Enable automated as well as human assisted analysis

Goal 11: Deadline Reminders<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384fe08-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb> - Provide notification of impending end dates for performance indicators

Goal 15: Partnerships<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2385057e-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb> - Enable potential performance partners to easily identify each other and cross-reference their common and/or complementary objectives in each other's respective plans and reports (transformation of the advertising/marketing paradigm)

Goal 19: Subscriptions<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_23850cfe-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb> - Provide automated notification of changes/updates to goals, objectives and/or performance indicators of interest to particular stakeholder groups

Goal 21: Critical Mass<http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_238510c8-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb> - Enable users to rally around, create networking "bandwagon" effects, establish critical mass and reach tipping points at which achievement of goals can be assured (pledges, contributions, referrals, challenges, etc.)

I'm not smart enough to write the intelligent agents but I'd love to connect with those who are.

Owen
On 1/6/2020 8:29 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
Thank you Own

if we write into the plan our individual proposed actions and goals
we could probably also write some intelligent agent to monitor and nudge
how we are doing against our own targets.  could be fun

PDM

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:17 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net<mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote:

I updated my StratML rendition of our plan at http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/AIKRCGforComment.xml to include the roles for which we have volunteered (in E-mail messages).

It would be good if we could more explicitly document our proposed deliverables as performance indicators under each of our objectives.

Anyone who may wish to contribute toward that end could use the mailto links in the plan to address comments to our listserv.

Owen
On 1/3/2020 3:53 PM, carl mattocks wrote:

To help the AI KR progress in 2020 as co-chair I propose to be:
 Co-editor of  https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/

 Lead editor of an  AI KR Element Inventory
 Key contributor to AIKR eGovernance documents

and continue to be a general factotum


wishing us all a happy new decade

Carl Mattocks

It was a pleasure to clarify


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:45 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com<mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote:
Milton

Glad you like the idea - I am thinking of a handbook that can serve as a general guidance for different domains, with one version aimed at egovernance.

I see the focus egovernance rather than egovernment, but there is a lot of material
on the latter, that we could abstract from to make it relevant and generalized to fit the former

there is still some work to be done in terms of aligning
different knowledge domain,

also, I am working on a few parallel topics - diverse branches of KR applications
with several deadlines coming up in the next few months

thanks for the suggestion of starting a lit review on KR for governance

Some of the resources I d like to include in a lit review are not accessible
(started a search some time ago) and still searching for ways to access them

However there are some good resources openly accessible

I started a tag on zotero
https://www.zotero.org/groups/2351244/knowledge_representation/items/tag/governance


please add resources and start drafting whatever inspires you

I am working on specific aspects of KR for eGov, and will share when ready, but in the meantime, good idea to start gathering the field


PDM
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:39 AM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com<mailto:metadataportals@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Dear members of the AIKR CG. I am particularly interested in the issue of AI and KR for eGovernance and eGovernment.
The UNCAC (United Nationas Convention Against Corruption) and AML/CFT treaties (anti money laundering/combating financing of terrorism) are very specific in compliance and thus governance, but everything else is still vague including what should constitute corporate, social, environmental, human rights and sustainable development governance and the Sustainable Development Goals do not in particular help clearly define governance.


In fact there is no clear definition of the boundaries, overlapping issues and distinction between legislation/law enforcement/compliance, moral conduct, ethical conduct/codes, corporate governance/rules of conduct, governance/guidelines.

Thus eGovernance is highly context sensitive, which makes the KR very important and the AI component determining the context/environment very important as well.

What would be very useful is some essays on how to map from a generalized set of concepts and ontologies onto the currently more familiar areas of legislation, legal guidelines, ethical codes of conduct and the various forms of more or less well established corporate, social and environmental governance.

A useful starting point would be to do a literature review on ontologies and indicators for governance.

Again, very good idea the eBook on AI and KR for eGovernance.

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development


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