Re: Adding CL extension of RULEML to list of normative/non-normative reference material

Thank you Carl
I would be very surprised if someone objected
I wonder if it would help to have a justification/explanation of why a
certain resource is added/suggested for addition (for those of use who may
not be familiar with it)
how does resource relate to AIKR, how does it contribute to our goals etc
P

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 7:18 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com> wrote:

> Members:
>
> is anyone against having a curated list of normative/non-normative
> reference material that includes the paper (which speaks to a CL extension
> of RULEML)
>
> http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf
> XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup
> Language
>
>
> thanks
>
> Carl Mattocks
> co-Chair AIKR CG
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:31 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All AIKR :
>> Regarding CL - as a candidate for our curated list of
>> normative/non-normative reference material - please review the paper that
>> speaks to a CL extension of RULEML
>>
>> http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf
>> XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup
>> Language
>>
>> I will send a follow on 'vote please' email after January 31
>>
>> thanks for your participation
>>
>> Carl Mattocks
>> CarlMattocks@WellnessIntelligence.Institute
>>
>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:39 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I suggest we stick to StratML and CL which is the basis for
>>> conceptual structures (see http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/cg4cs.pdf)?
>>>
>>> This way we know we are applying standards in the to be developed
>>> general common frame of reference for AI and KR.
>>>
>>> Will get back on this and my mission statemennt.
>>>
>>> Milton Ponson
>>> GSM: +297 747 8280
>>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
>>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
>>> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
>>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:49:24 AM AST, Paola Di Maio <
>>> paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> The whole purpose of life is about making aspirations true, compatibly
>>> with everything else
>>>
>>> I think a small demo of an automated agents that monitors  certain key
>>> parameters written in xml     is perfectly feasible, given a set of rules,
>>> , as a proof of concept
>>> I generally only do only what is within my immediate reach
>>> Here is a way it could be done:
>>> have a parameter set of CG overall goals,
>>> for each member have a set of actions contributing to CG goals
>>> run the agent periodically to check the status of the actions against
>>> the goals
>>> I am fairly sure we can find a 10 years old to help us write it :-)
>>>
>>> Large scale real world implementations may not be feasible
>>> because too many people need to be consulted, and too many people
>>> have conflicting views, and there is too much speculation and
>>> profiteering
>>> Technologies that dont cost much (other than server and developer time
>>> perhaps)
>>> tend not to be popular
>>>
>>> So lets think of implementing a working prototype and surely it will
>>> take shape at some point.
>>> At a minimum, as they used to say, we can prove that we can eat our own
>>> dog food :-0D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please, Paola, stop.  You're about to put me over the edge.
>>>
>>> I've long been dreaming about engaging a bunch of students in a brigade
>>> to do for public agencies what they should be doing for themselves, i.e.,
>>> publishing their performance plans and reports in an open, standard,
>>> machine-readable format like StratML.  While I've been hoping it might
>>> happen in India, I can't imagine the Chinese or Russian government, for
>>> example, would stand for that but, hey, I love to be proven wrong ... about
>>> such delirious dreams.
>>>
>>> Far short of that, it would be wonderful if someone could develop a
>>> query service that leverages the semantics and structure of the StratML
>>> schema as per the requirements outlined at Query/Discovery
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15446932-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb>
>>> - Enable not only full-text but also faceted querying and discovery of
>>> discrete elements of StratML documents.
>>>
>>> There are more than 4,000 plans in the StratML collection
>>> <http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm> that can be used for
>>> demonstration purposes.  Hopefully, someday the collection will become too
>>> valuable to ignore or, at least, to treat as any old unstructured
>>> information, as the incumbent full-text indexing services apparently do.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>> On 1/6/2020 9:04 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> :-)  lots of features to play with
>>>
>>> ha ha,  not sure if I would like an agent to remind me I am behind
>>> with my own goals but technically, neat possibility
>>>
>>> Let's work on  the idea of a possible demo implementation/prototype -
>>>
>>> I design web services (workflow, general specs etc), do not write the
>>> implementation code for which generally I pair with a coder
>>>
>>> can find some students who may want to do so, or coud even set out to
>>> spend ten minutes a week towards learning how to implement myself so
>>> that the geeks on this list could either help or slam
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:46 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't get me too excited, Paola. I can only stand so much fun.  However,
>>> at the risk of becoming delirious, I invite attention to these StratML
>>> tool, app, and service requirements related to monitoring and nudging:
>>>
>>> Goal 7: Analysis
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384f48a-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
>>> - Enable automated as well as human assisted analysis
>>>
>>> Goal 11: Deadline Reminders
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384fe08-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
>>> - Provide notification of impending end dates for performance indicators
>>>
>>> Goal 15: Partnerships
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2385057e-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
>>> - Enable potential performance partners to easily identify each other and
>>> cross-reference their common and/or complementary objectives in each
>>> other's respective plans and reports (transformation of the
>>> advertising/marketing paradigm)
>>>
>>> Goal 19: Subscriptions
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_23850cfe-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
>>> - Provide automated notification of changes/updates to goals, objectives
>>> and/or performance indicators of interest to particular stakeholder groups
>>>
>>> Goal 21: Critical Mass
>>> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_238510c8-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
>>> - Enable users to rally around, create networking "bandwagon" effects,
>>> establish critical mass and reach tipping points at which achievement of
>>> goals can be assured (pledges, contributions, referrals, challenges, etc.)
>>>
>>> I'm not smart enough to write the intelligent agents but I'd love to
>>> connect with those who are.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>> On 1/6/2020 8:29 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Own
>>>
>>> if we write into the plan our individual proposed actions and goals
>>> we could probably also write some intelligent agent to monitor and nudge
>>> how we are doing against our own targets.  could be fun
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:17 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I updated my StratML rendition of our plan at
>>> http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/AIKRCGforComment.xml to include the
>>> roles for which we have volunteered (in E-mail messages).
>>>
>>> It would be good if we could more explicitly document our proposed
>>> deliverables as performance indicators under each of our objectives.
>>>
>>> Anyone who may wish to contribute toward that end could use the mailto
>>> links in the plan to address comments to our listserv.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>> On 1/3/2020 3:53 PM, carl mattocks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> To help the AI KR progress in 2020 as co-chair I propose to be:
>>>  Co-editor of  https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/
>>>  Lead editor of an  AI KR Element Inventory
>>>  Key contributor to AIKR eGovernance documents
>>>
>>> and continue to be a general factotum
>>>
>>>
>>> wishing us all a happy new decade
>>>
>>> Carl Mattocks
>>>
>>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:45 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Milton
>>>
>>> Glad you like the idea - I am thinking of a handbook that can serve as a
>>> general guidance for different domains, with one version aimed at
>>> egovernance.
>>>
>>> I see the focus egovernance rather than egovernment, but there is a lot
>>> of material
>>> on the latter, that we could abstract from to make it relevant and
>>> generalized to fit the former
>>>
>>> there is still some work to be done in terms of aligning
>>> different knowledge domain,
>>>
>>> also, I am working on a few parallel topics - diverse branches of KR
>>> applications
>>> with several deadlines coming up in the next few months
>>>
>>> thanks for the suggestion of starting a lit review on KR for governance
>>>
>>> Some of the resources I d like to include in a lit review are not
>>> accessible
>>> (started a search some time ago) and still searching for ways to access
>>> them
>>>
>>> However there are some good resources openly accessible
>>>
>>> I started a tag on zotero
>>>
>>> https://www.zotero.org/groups/2351244/knowledge_representation/items/tag/governance
>>>
>>>
>>> please add resources and start drafting whatever inspires you
>>>
>>> I am working on specific aspects of KR for eGov, and will share when
>>> ready, but in the meantime, good idea to start gathering the field
>>>
>>>
>>> PDM
>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:39 AM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
>>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear members of the AIKR CG. I am particularly interested in the issue
>>> of AI and KR for eGovernance and eGovernment.
>>> The UNCAC (United Nationas Convention Against Corruption) and AML/CFT
>>> treaties (anti money laundering/combating financing of terrorism) are very
>>> specific in compliance and thus governance, but everything else is still
>>> vague including what should constitute corporate, social, environmental,
>>> human rights and sustainable development governance and the Sustainable
>>> Development Goals do not in particular help clearly define governance.
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact there is no clear definition of the boundaries, overlapping
>>> issues and distinction between legislation/law enforcement/compliance,
>>> moral conduct, ethical conduct/codes, corporate governance/rules of
>>> conduct, governance/guidelines.
>>>
>>> Thus eGovernance is highly context sensitive, which makes the KR very
>>> important and the AI component determining the context/environment very
>>> important as well.
>>>
>>> What would be very useful is some essays on how to map from a
>>> generalized set of concepts and ontologies onto the currently more familiar
>>> areas of legislation, legal guidelines, ethical codes of conduct and the
>>> various forms of more or less well established corporate, social and
>>> environmental governance.
>>>
>>> A useful starting point would be to do a literature review on ontologies
>>> and indicators for governance.
>>>
>>> Again, very good idea the eBook on AI and KR for eGovernance.
>>>
>>> Milton Ponson
>>> GSM: +297 747 8280
>>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
>>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
>>> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
>>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>>>
>>>
>>> [deleted]
>>>
>>>