Re: Adding CL extension of RULEML to list of normative/non-normative reference material

Thank you Pete


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 8:36 PM Pete Rivett <pete.rivett@adaptive.com> wrote:

> Hi Carl,
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> We already have this list (with 9 current resources):
> https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/knowledge-sources-for-ai-kr/
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> I think we should improve the presentation of the list we have rather than
> creating a new one. Assuming that’s what you were proposing. If you were
> asking for agreement on including that specific paper in the list, then
> fine. I don’t think each addition needs group agreement given that the form
> already asks the contributor to rate and speak to its relevance.
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> Regards,
>
> Pete
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> *From:* carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 1, 2020 3:18 PM
> *To:* W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Adding CL extension of RULEML to list of
> normative/non-normative reference material
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> Members:
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> is anyone against having a curated list of normative/non-normative
> reference material that includes the paper (which speaks to a CL extension
> of RULEML)
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> http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf
> XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup
> Language
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> thanks
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> Carl Mattocks
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> co-Chair AIKR CG
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:31 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> All AIKR :
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> Regarding CL - as a candidate for our curated list of
> normative/non-normative reference material - please review the paper that
> speaks to a CL extension of RULEML
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> http://ruleml.org/papers/AthanDissertation/AthanGISDissertation2011.pdf
> XCLX: An XML-based Common Logic eXtension with Embedded Geography Markup
> Language
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> I will send a follow on 'vote please' email after January 31
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> thanks for your participation
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> Carl Mattocks
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> CarlMattocks@WellnessIntelligence.Institute
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> It was a pleasure to clarify
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:39 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Can I suggest we stick to StratML and CL which is the basis for conceptual
> structures (see http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/cg4cs.pdf)?
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> This way we know we are applying standards in the to be developed general
> common frame of reference for AI and KR.
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> Will get back on this and my mission statemennt.
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> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> *Project Paradigm*: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
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> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:49:24 AM AST, Paola Di Maio <
> paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Owen
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> The whole purpose of life is about making aspirations true, compatibly
> with everything else
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> I think a small demo of an automated agents that monitors  certain key
> parameters written in xml     is perfectly feasible, given a set of rules,
> , as a proof of concept
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> I generally only do only what is within my immediate reach
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> Here is a way it could be done:
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> have a parameter set of CG overall goals,
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> for each member have a set of actions contributing to CG goals
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> run the agent periodically to check the status of the actions against the
> goals
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> I am fairly sure we can find a 10 years old to help us write it :-)
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> Large scale real world implementations may not be feasible
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> because too many people need to be consulted, and too many people
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> have conflicting views, and there is too much speculation and profiteering
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> Technologies that dont cost much (other than server and developer time
> perhaps)
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> tend not to be popular
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> So lets think of implementing a working prototype and surely it will take
> shape at some point.
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> At a minimum, as they used to say, we can prove that we can eat our own
> dog food :-0D
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Please, Paola, stop.  You're about to put me over the edge.
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> I've long been dreaming about engaging a bunch of students in a brigade to
> do for public agencies what they should be doing for themselves, i.e.,
> publishing their performance plans and reports in an open, standard,
> machine-readable format like StratML.  While I've been hoping it might
> happen in India, I can't imagine the Chinese or Russian government, for
> example, would stand for that but, hey, I love to be proven wrong ... about
> such delirious dreams.
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> Far short of that, it would be wonderful if someone could develop a query
> service that leverages the semantics and structure of the StratML schema as
> per the requirements outlined at Query/Discovery
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15446932-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb>
> - Enable not only full-text but also faceted querying and discovery of
> discrete elements of StratML documents.
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> There are more than 4,000 plans in the StratML collection
> <http://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm> that can be used for
> demonstration purposes.  Hopefully, someday the collection will become too
> valuable to ignore or, at least, to treat as any old unstructured
> information, as the incumbent full-text indexing services apparently do.
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> Owen
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> On 1/6/2020 9:04 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
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> :-)  lots of features to play with
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> ha ha,  not sure if I would like an agent to remind me I am behind
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> with my own goals but technically, neat possibility
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> Let's work on  the idea of a possible demo implementation/prototype -
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> I design web services (workflow, general specs etc), do not write the
> implementation code for which generally I pair with a coder
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> can find some students who may want to do so, or coud even set out to
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> spend ten minutes a week towards learning how to implement myself so that
> the geeks on this list could either help or slam
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> P
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:46 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Don't get me too excited, Paola. I can only stand so much fun.  However,
> at the risk of becoming delirious, I invite attention to these StratML
> tool, app, and service requirements related to monitoring and nudging:
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> Goal 7: Analysis
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384f48a-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
> - Enable automated as well as human assisted analysis
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> Goal 11: Deadline Reminders
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2384fe08-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
> - Provide notification of impending end dates for performance indicators
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> Goal 15: Partnerships
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_2385057e-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
> - Enable potential performance partners to easily identify each other and
> cross-reference their common and/or complementary objectives in each
> other's respective plans and reports (transformation of the
> advertising/marketing paradigm)
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> Goal 19: Subscriptions
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_23850cfe-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
> - Provide automated notification of changes/updates to goals, objectives
> and/or performance indicators of interest to particular stakeholder groups
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> Goal 21: Critical Mass
> <http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_238510c8-208f-11e6-8dd1-b735871eb3cb>
> - Enable users to rally around, create networking "bandwagon" effects,
> establish critical mass and reach tipping points at which achievement of
> goals can be assured (pledges, contributions, referrals, challenges, etc.)
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> I'm not smart enough to write the intelligent agents but I'd love to
> connect with those who are.
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> Owen
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> On 1/6/2020 8:29 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
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> Thank you Own
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> if we write into the plan our individual proposed actions and goals
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> we could probably also write some intelligent agent to monitor and nudge
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> how we are doing against our own targets.  could be fun
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> PDM
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:17 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
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> I updated my StratML rendition of our plan at
> http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/AIKRCGforComment.xml to include the
> roles for which we have volunteered (in E-mail messages).
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> It would be good if we could more explicitly document our proposed
> deliverables as performance indicators under each of our objectives.
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> Anyone who may wish to contribute toward that end could use the mailto
> links in the plan to address comments to our listserv.
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> Owen
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> On 1/3/2020 3:53 PM, carl mattocks wrote:
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> To help the AI KR progress in 2020 as co-chair I propose to be:
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>  Co-editor of  https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/
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>  Lead editor of an  AI KR Element Inventory
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>  Key contributor to AIKR eGovernance documents
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> and continue to be a general factotum
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> wishing us all a happy new decade
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> Carl Mattocks
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> It was a pleasure to clarify
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> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:45 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Milton
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> Glad you like the idea - I am thinking of a handbook that can serve as a
> general guidance for different domains, with one version aimed at
> egovernance.
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> I see the focus egovernance rather than egovernment, but there is a lot of
> material
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> on the latter, that we could abstract from to make it relevant and
> generalized to fit the former
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> there is still some work to be done in terms of aligning
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> different knowledge domain,
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> also, I am working on a few parallel topics - diverse branches of KR
> applications
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> with several deadlines coming up in the next few months
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> thanks for the suggestion of starting a lit review on KR for governance
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> Some of the resources I d like to include in a lit review are not
> accessible
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> (started a search some time ago) and still searching for ways to access
> them
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> However there are some good resources openly accessible
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> I started a tag on zotero
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> https://www.zotero.org/groups/2351244/knowledge_representation/items/tag/governance
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> please add resources and start drafting whatever inspires you
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> I am working on specific aspects of KR for eGov, and will share when
> ready, but in the meantime, good idea to start gathering the field
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> PDM
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> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:39 AM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Dear members of the AIKR CG. I am particularly interested in the issue of
> AI and KR for eGovernance and eGovernment.
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> The UNCAC (United Nationas Convention Against Corruption) and AML/CFT
> treaties (anti money laundering/combating financing of terrorism) are very
> specific in compliance and thus governance, but everything else is still
> vague including what should constitute corporate, social, environmental,
> human rights and sustainable development governance and the Sustainable
> Development Goals do not in particular help clearly define governance.
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> In fact there is no clear definition of the boundaries, overlapping issues
> and distinction between legislation/law enforcement/compliance, moral
> conduct, ethical conduct/codes, corporate governance/rules of conduct,
> governance/guidelines.
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> Thus eGovernance is highly context sensitive, which makes the KR very
> important and the AI component determining the context/environment very
> important as well.
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> What would be very useful is some essays on how to map from a generalized
> set of concepts and ontologies onto the currently more familiar areas of
> legislation, legal guidelines, ethical codes of conduct and the various
> forms of more or less well established corporate, social and environmental
> governance.
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> A useful starting point would be to do a literature review on ontologies
> and indicators for governance.
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> Again, very good idea the eBook on AI and KR for eGovernance.
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> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> *Project Paradigm*: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
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