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Re: CSS1 and tables

From: Douglas Rand <drand@sgi.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:21:02 -0400
Message-ID: <343A6F7E.838A8E37@sgi.com>
To: "Chris Wilson (PSD)" <cwilso@MICROSOFT.com>
CC: "'David Perrell'" <davidp@earthlink.net>, www-style@w3.org
Chris Wilson (PSD) wrote:
> ship product - and we call each other on the phone, and make a blood
> pact to forget legacies and both follow the same very strict DTD (stop
> laughing, darn you!).

But Chris,  I *needed* a good laugh.  I really did. :)

> Would we be able to convince everyone to upgrade?

Never.  Not in a million years.  Between HTML being edited about 70%
of the time on text editors and the plethora of other editors which 
probably don't force a strict DTD you'd be sunk.

>..
> browsers in use, and is therefore a de facto standard by a landslide.

Hear, hear.  Let us not forget folks that standards committees generally
do *not* dictate this stuff.  The general job description
has more to do with codifying and regularizing existing behavior
than in dictating compliance.  HTML,  de facto,  does not follow
the W3C DTD in a meaningful way.

My comment is that we have to be extremely careful to maintain
legacy behavior where it makes sense.  Let me give you an example
from my current round of work.  PRE is a block tag and the DTD states
that it cannot hold other blocks. 

 <!ELEMENT PRE - - (%text)* -(%pre.exclusion)>

But can I do that in our (almost unknown) browser?  Not on your life.
I have people doing things like:

<PRE>
 
<P>....
<P>...
</PRE>

Which is to say that they use it as a container to get "preformatted"
text.  So instead of %text,  I have %body.content.  I can shout till
I'm blue in the face that this isn't right (and it isn't) but I will
not get my users to rewrite their pages because it looks "fine in
Netscape dammit."

Doug
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