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RE: CSS1 and tables

From: Chris Wilson (PSD) <cwilso@MICROSOFT.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:04:07 -0700
Message-ID: <C35556591D34D111BB5600805F1961B908DC9B@RED-MSG-47.dns.microsoft.com>
To: "'Derek Harding'" <derek@tpd.com>, www-style@w3.org
As I explained in a post I just sent, this is because Microsoft defined
the FACE attribute for the FONT tag. We always thought not inheriting
into tables was lame; so, when the opportunity presented itself, we did
the right thing with the font face.

Let me be perfectly clear here - in my mind, there are two issues.  #1,
whether we "break the inheritance model", or whether we're setting
default properties on table cells - this may seem like an arbitrary line
to draw, but it's not.  We DO inherit some properties into table cells -
e.g., font-family.  The model is not broken at all.  

The #2 issue is whether or not doing either one of these things (for
legacy compatibility reasons) is the "right" thing to do.  This is an
issue with more room for opinion, and for once I find myself on the
"impure" side.

	-Chris
Chris Wilson
cwilso@microsoft.com
***

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Derek Harding [SMTP:derek@tpd.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 1997 9:08 PM
> To:	Chris Wilson (PSD); www-style@w3.org
> Subject:	Re: CSS1 and tables
> 
> This is most odd since even now Netscape & IE display the following
> differently. I don't follow why broken legacy is supported if its not
> for
> uniformity across browsers.
> 
> <font face="arial">
> <p>This is arial in IE & Netscape.
> <table><tr><td>This is arial in IE, it will be the default font in
> NS</td></tr></table>
> This is arial in both.</p>
> </font>
> 
> Derek
> ---
> Derek Harding
> Technical Director, TPD Publishing
> http://www.tpd.com/~derek/
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ____
> Never trust any complicated cocktail that remainds perfectly clear
> until
> the last ingredient goes in, and then immediately clouds.
>         -- Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Wilson (PSD) <cwilso@MICROSOFT.com>
> To: 'Chris Lilley' <Chris.Lilley@sophia.inria.fr>; 'David Perrell'
> <davidp@earthlink.net>; www-style@w3.org <www-style@w3.org>
> Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 6:39 PM
> Subject: RE: CSS1 and tables
> 
> 
> >Ah, an interesting solution - one I discarded while planning in IE3
> >because of the legacy of:
> >
> > <FORM STYLE="font-weight: bold">This is bold.
> > <INPUT ID=a>
> > <TABLE><TR><TD>
> > <INPUT ID=b>This is not bold.
> > </TD></TR>
> > </TABLE>
> > This is bold again.
> > <INPUT ID=c>
> > </FORM>
> >
> >Namely, you can't assume you can always break an element into two or
> >more elements without damaging its functionality.
> > -Chris
> >Chris Wilson
> >cwilso@microsoft.com
> >***
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Lilley [SMTP:Chris.Lilley@sophia.inria.fr]
> >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 3:39 PM
> >> To: Chris Wilson (PSD); 'David Perrell'; www-style@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: CSS1 and tables
> >>
> >> On Oct 6,  2:59pm, Chris Wilson (PSD) wrote:
> >>
> >> > Unfortunately (and believe me, I do mean "unfortunately"), legacy
> >> > rendering disagrees with you quite strongly.  Try loading this in
> >> any
> >> > version of Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer:
> >> >
> >> > <B>This is bold.
> >> > <TABLE><TR><TD>
> >> > This is not bold.
> >> > </TD></TR>
> >> > </TABLE>
> >> > This is bold again.
> >> > </B>
> >>
> >> OK, so these browsers do error correction on a document which has
> >> a block  level element inside a phrase level element, and
> internally
> >> generate
> >>
> >> <B>This is bold.</b>
> >> <TABLE><TR><TD>
> >> This is not bold.
> >> </TD></TR>
> >> </TABLE>
> >> <b>This is bold again.</B>
> >>
> >> Fine. But, since TABLE is not a child of B, naturally the table is
> >> not in bold.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Lilley, W3C                          [ http://www.w3.org/ ]
> >> Graphics and Fonts Guy            The World Wide Web Consortium
> >> http://www.w3.org/people/chris/              INRIA,  Projet W3C
> >> chris@w3.org                       2004 Rt des Lucioles / BP 93
> >> +33 (0)4 93 65 79 87       06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France
> >
> >
Received on Tuesday, 7 October 1997 12:04:37 GMT

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