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Re: 10.4 Re: Checkpoints 10.4 and 10.5

From: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:03:17 -0500
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To: Laurie Davis-Covin <ldavisco@nist.gov>
Cc: "Steven McCaffrey" <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>, <charles@w3.org>, <poehlman1@home.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, <graham_oliver@yahoo.com>, mike@gwmicro.com
I don't want to get this off topic, but we simply recommend a frames 
supporting browser, although our page does read fine in Lynx. The pixels 
can be resized in IE when the proper accessibility options are implemented 
(ie. "Ignore font size specified on Web pages").

One of the main reasons that I joined this list to was learn more about 
what we, as an Adaptive Technology Company, can do to make our site even 
more accessible, not to be bashed because of our current design.

At 02:22 PM 5/31/2001 -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
>excuse me, but I have to jump in here.  I just viewed that site with Lynx. 
>GWMicro tells its users (David knows this) that because the site is 
>designed with frames, it's recommended that IE be used, AND a resolution 
>of 800x600. And, they are using pixels; can't re-size the text.  And, 
>there's more...   I apologize for not following the 'string'. Thank you.
>At 10:53 AM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>>Has anyone reviewed the results with Window-Eyes? (http://www.gwmicro.com)
>>At 11:15 AM 5/31/2001 -0400, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>Hello Charles:
>>>      Good question.  I don't want to generalize, so let me just give an 
>>> example that does work.  The example in section 11.2 of the
>>>HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works 
>>>fine.  I hear
>>>"First name colon edit"
>>>then I hit tab and hear:
>>>"Last name colon edit"
>>>which is fine.
>>>The snipet for the first name is:
>>>    <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL>
>>>    <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1">
>>>Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is the 
>>>main point of 11.2.  I am just commenting on the label element.
>>> >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>>
>>>If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things?
>>>Charles McCN
>>>On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>   Hi Charles:
>>>        I'm using JFW 3.31.  I will just hear "edit".
>>>   Steve
>>>   >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>>
>>>   Thanks Steven, Dave.
>>>   Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens?
>>>   cheers
>>>   Chaals
>>>   On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>     Hello:
>>>          I agree with David in that it is still an issue.  The 
>>> consequence is
>>>     that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of 
>>> information is requested.
>>>     Steve McCaffrey
>>>     Information Technology Services
>>>     NYSED
>>>     >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>>
>>>     it is still an issue although many have solved it.  even though you 
>>> have
>>>     to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you where to
>>>     write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes.
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>   ...
>>>     the rationale for this one was that there were assistive technology and
>>>     browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I am not
>>>     certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will ask the
>>>     Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this question as
>>>     fast as possible.
>>>Charles McCathieNevile    http://www.w3.org/People/Charles  phone: +61 
>>>409 134 136
>>>W3C Web Accessibility Initiative     http://www.w3.org/WAI    fax: +1 
>>>617 258 5999
>>>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
>>>(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, 
>>Aaron Smith
>>GW Micro
>>Phone: 219/489-3671
>>Fax: 219/489-2608
>>WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
>>Technical Support & Web Development

Aaron Smith
GW Micro
Phone: 219/489-3671
Fax: 219/489-2608
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