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Re: 10.4 Re: Checkpoints 10.4 and 10.5

From: Laurie Davis-Covin <ldavisco@nist.gov>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:22:11 -0400
Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010531135737.00b43100@mailserver.nist.gov>
To: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
Cc: "Steven McCaffrey" <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>, <charles@w3.org>, <poehlman1@home.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, <graham_oliver@yahoo.com>, mike@gwmicro.com
excuse me, but I have to jump in here.  I just viewed that site with Lynx. 
GWMicro tells its users (David knows this) that because the site is 
designed with frames, it's recommended that IE be used, AND a resolution of 
800x600. And, they are using pixels; can't re-size the text.  And, there's 
more...   I apologize for not following the 'string'. Thank you.

At 10:53 AM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>Has anyone reviewed the results with Window-Eyes? (http://www.gwmicro.com)
>
>
>At 11:15 AM 5/31/2001 -0400, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>Hello Charles:
>>
>>      Good question.  I don't want to generalize, so let me just give an 
>> example that does work.  The example in section 11.2 of the
>>HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works 
>>fine.  I hear
>>"First name colon edit"
>>then I hit tab and hear:
>>"Last name colon edit"
>>which is fine.
>>The snipet for the first name is:
>>
>>    <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL>
>>    <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1">
>>
>>Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is the 
>>main point of 11.2.  I am just commenting on the label element.
>>
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>> >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>>
>>If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things?
>>
>>Charles McCN
>>
>>On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>
>>   Hi Charles:
>>
>>
>>        I'm using JFW 3.31.  I will just hear "edit".
>>
>>   Steve
>>
>>   >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>>
>>   Thanks Steven, Dave.
>>
>>   Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens?
>>
>>   cheers
>>
>>   Chaals
>>
>>   On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>     Hello:
>>          I agree with David in that it is still an issue.  The 
>> consequence is
>>     that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of 
>> information is requested.
>>
>>     Steve McCaffrey
>>     Information Technology Services
>>     NYSED
>>     >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>>
>>     it is still an issue although many have solved it.  even though you have
>>     to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you where to
>>     write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes.
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>   ...
>>
>>     the rationale for this one was that there were assistive technology and
>>     browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I am not
>>     certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will ask the
>>     Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this question as
>>     fast as possible.
>>
>>
>>
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>
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