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Re: 10.4 Re: Checkpoints 10.4 and 10.5

From: Laurie Davis-Covin <ldavisco@nist.gov>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:17:42 -0400
Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010531151623.00b23ea0@mailserver.nist.gov>
To: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
Cc: "Steven McCaffrey" <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>, <charles@w3.org>, <poehlman1@home.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, <graham_oliver@yahoo.com>, mike@gwmicro.com
Sorry, Aaron, just got a little carried away. I'm learning, too.

At 02:03 PM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>I don't want to get this off topic, but we simply recommend a frames 
>supporting browser, although our page does read fine in Lynx. The pixels 
>can be resized in IE when the proper accessibility options are implemented 
>(ie. "Ignore font size specified on Web pages").
>
>One of the main reasons that I joined this list to was learn more about 
>what we, as an Adaptive Technology Company, can do to make our site even 
>more accessible, not to be bashed because of our current design.
>
>At 02:22 PM 5/31/2001 -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
>>excuse me, but I have to jump in here.  I just viewed that site with 
>>Lynx. GWMicro tells its users (David knows this) that because the site is 
>>designed with frames, it's recommended that IE be used, AND a resolution 
>>of 800x600. And, they are using pixels; can't re-size the text.  And, 
>>there's more...   I apologize for not following the 'string'. Thank you.
>>
>>At 10:53 AM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>>>Has anyone reviewed the results with Window-Eyes? (http://www.gwmicro.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>At 11:15 AM 5/31/2001 -0400, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>Hello Charles:
>>>>
>>>>      Good question.  I don't want to generalize, so let me just give 
>>>> an example that does work.  The example in section 11.2 of the
>>>>HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works 
>>>>fine.  I hear
>>>>"First name colon edit"
>>>>then I hit tab and hear:
>>>>"Last name colon edit"
>>>>which is fine.
>>>>The snipet for the first name is:
>>>>
>>>>    <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL>
>>>>    <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1">
>>>>
>>>>Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is 
>>>>the main point of 11.2.  I am just commenting on the label element.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>>
>>>>If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things?
>>>>
>>>>Charles McCN
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Charles:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        I'm using JFW 3.31.  I will just hear "edit".
>>>>
>>>>   Steve
>>>>
>>>>   >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>>
>>>>   Thanks Steven, Dave.
>>>>
>>>>   Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens?
>>>>
>>>>   cheers
>>>>
>>>>   Chaals
>>>>
>>>>   On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>     Hello:
>>>>          I agree with David in that it is still an issue.  The 
>>>> consequence is
>>>>     that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of 
>>>> information is requested.
>>>>
>>>>     Steve McCaffrey
>>>>     Information Technology Services
>>>>     NYSED
>>>>     >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>>
>>>>     it is still an issue although many have solved it.  even though 
>>>> you have
>>>>     to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you where to
>>>>     write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes.
>>>>
>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   ...
>>>>
>>>>     the rationale for this one was that there were assistive 
>>>> technology and
>>>>     browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I 
>>>> am not
>>>>     certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will ask the
>>>>     Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this question as
>>>>     fast as possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Charles McCathieNevile    http://www.w3.org/People/Charles  phone: +61 
>>>>409 134 136
>>>>W3C Web Accessibility Initiative     http://www.w3.org/WAI    fax: +1 
>>>>617 258 5999
>>>>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
>>>>(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, 
>>>>France)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Aaron Smith
>>>GW Micro
>>>Phone: 219/489-3671
>>>Fax: 219/489-2608
>>>WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>Technical Support & Web Development
>
>--
>Aaron Smith
>GW Micro
>Phone: 219/489-3671
>Fax: 219/489-2608
>WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
>FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
>Technical Support & Web Development
>
Received on Thursday, 31 May 2001 15:14:00 GMT

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