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RE: slideshow sites/interfaces [was RE: guideline 7.1 about screen flickering (fwd)]

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:45:08 -0400
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To: <s.livingstone@btinternet.com>, "'gregory j. rosmaita'" <oedipus@hicom.net>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Neat piece, Steven .... I would hope that before someone put that plain 
thing on the web, they'd hook up a background to it ... a picture of a 
glacier, or ice cubes, etc.... it would help soften the blare of the 
letters especially if the coloring is chosen carefully.  Actually, I enjoy 
pictorial animations more ---- the milk and cookies disappearing slowly 
from the glass and plate --- Do YOU think Santa Claus is really drinking 
that milk on Mrs. P's web page ..... ummm hmmmm with dutiful nods ... while 
the little red head in the back shakes her head vehemently muttering that 
there is no Santa Claus - it's really Uncle Joe. <grin> ....


At 12:39 PM 8/2/01 -0700, Steven Livingstone wrote:

>In an attempt to illustrate what people might do (and a possible attempt 
>to drive you insane ;), I have attached an example of what may be possible.
>NOTE that this is not exactly how it would be generally used, but rather 
>it would be refined to parts of a page. For example,. It could be an ad at 
>the top of the page.
>It is just to show that this kind of native animation is possible and with 
>SVG on the rise, there s a good chance we will see more of something like this.
>Steven Livingstone,
>Author Pro XML 2e and others.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On 
>Behalf Of Anne Pemberton
>Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:19 AM
>To: gregory j. rosmaita; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>Subject: Re: slideshow sites/interfaces [was RE: guideline 7.1 about 
>screen flickering (fwd)]
>Greg and Steven,
>         I followed your links, and thank you both. Since I am so visual, 
> Greg's experience with the hotel site helped me understand what was happening.
>a real-life example of the type of site he described -- when i tried to get
>the phone number of the hotel from the hotel's web site in advance of
>attending the june face2face meetings in amsterdam, i couldn't get past the
>first page:
>The source code for the site is:
><title>Website of Hotel Prins Hendrik - Amsterdam</title>
><meta name="description" content="Website of Hotel Prins Hendrik * * *, 
>located in the centre of Amsterdam.">
><meta name="keywords" content="hotel, hotels, * * * hotel, * * *, hotel 
>prins hendrik, prins hendrik hotel, amsterdam, amsterdam-centre, centre of 
>amsterdam, rooms, accomodation, accomodations, accommodation, acomodation, 
>three stars, three, stars, canal, canals, gay-friendly, redlight district, 
>red-light district, travel, holland, netherland, the netherlands, 
>netherlands, tourism">
><BODY bgcolor="#FFF7D6">
><OBJECT classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
>  ID=index WIDTH=100% HEIGHT=100%>
>  <PARAM NAME=movie VALUE="index.swf"> <PARAM NAME=quality VALUE=high> 
> <PARAM NAME=wmode VALUE=transparent> <PARAM NAME=bgcolor VALUE=#FFF7D6> 
> <EMBED src="index.swf" quality=high wmode=transparent 
> bgcolor=#FFF7D6  WIDTH=100% HEIGHT=100% 
> TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash" 
> PLUGINSPAGE="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"></EMBED>
>The pages for the site seem to all be locked into the flash. Perhaps they 
>stand alone somewhere on the site, behind a quixotic subdirectory for 
>example. I wonder if a line could be inserted between the Body background 
>color and the beginning of the Object, to provide a link to an alternate 
>version of the pages. Dunno if it will show on the screen while the movie 
>is loading or not. You have the problem of updating two versions, but I 
>suspect that the individual pages could be updated then reinserted in the 
>movie script. Is this too obviously easy a solution?
>Stephen suggested the following site as an example.
>http://www.maxnet.co.nz/   As horizontal stripes are quite popular it 
>shouldn't be hard to find more.
>The problem with this site seems to be the frames. The pages are distinct 
>on the site unlike the hotel example. But they all display in a somewhat 
>complex system of frames. And there is no option to avoid the frames. I 
>think most frames problems are solvable now, but this site didn't get the 
>It's really a great site! Love the various illustrations ... checked out 
>the "Pig Sty", a site for kids to learn more about pigs ... and, when I 
>clicked on Cuisine, came to a wonderful site for recipes with a New 
>Zealand flare. One link, to Yum Yum, identified with a classic Smiley face 
>licking his lips, led to what seems to be a semi-commercial exchange of 
>recipes. I clicked on Recipes, and came to an input page to search their 
>recipe database. Next to the standard-looking input boxes is an 
>illustration that does not fit the "rules" I was working on yesterday .... 
>but is absolutely delightful. It in a black and white photo of a small 
>girl who has made a jolly mess of herself with a birthday cake. Brought 
>back fun memories of growing up the oldest of a large family, and as each 
>sister reached her first birthday, she was presented with her birthday 
>cake and let go to do what she would. All six adventures were recorded in 
>black and white photos, and as we all had kids and went thru the same 
>first birthday celebration the photos for the grandchildren, and those for 
>the first few of the great-grands are in color. Neat to see our family 
>tradition going on so far away! Tho, the girl in the picture may be older 
>than a year.
>So, thanks ever so much for the illustration of what you experienced. I 
>can see the problems, but they seem solvable with an application of 
>information to the folks who create the site. I may revisit that NZ site 
>more today as I study on what else to say for the sufficiency criteria 
>instead of a list of things to do.
>                                                 Anne
>Anne Pemberton

Anne Pemberton

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