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RE: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:01:49 -0500
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Nothing on this page works with my browser

Can you tell me  what the non-text is that is on the page?


(sorry for the irony)

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-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:19 AM
To: Joel Sanda
Cc: 'Anne Pemberton'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001

Well, I have put a bit of sound and graphics online at
http://www.w3.org/2001/08/mmcmn that might be a start at how to actually
illustrate 3.4 in a manner that would meet 3.4.

That page isn't an attempt to use those things in situ - it is a home
them to be seen, that includes (rudimentary) text equivalents. Note that
have cut the image down to one sixth size and it worked for me, which I
thought was good for something that is 640x480 naturally.

Comments welcome, but be kind - I already know that I am not a graphic
designer <grin/> or communicator of any great talent.



On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Joel Sanda wrote:

  Anne -

  The idea of content stabilization is a valid point, but what if
  changes are frequent? Any content that changes will need to be
designed in
  alternative formats.

  Take the WCAG 2.0 document. Is there, since the content isn't stable
  always changing, no way to build it so it can conform to the WCAG 2.0
  it is stable? That means that, as a working document, it cannot be
  accessible, at least according to the WCAG 2.0.

  My concern is the way 3.4 is written now the group working on the WCAG
  can't adhere to the point while the document is in a working draft.
What if
  someone on the group had to have content in a form specified by 3.4,
  can't get it because the content isn't stable?

  Joel Sanda
  Product Manager

  > p. 303.873.7400 x3021
  > f.  303.632.1721

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Anne Pemberton [mailto:apembert@erols.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:27 PM
  To: Wendy A Chisholm; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
  Subject: Re: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001

  Wendy, Paul, and all,

           I have absolutely no objections to anything in the newest
  draft.  I will try to read it through tomorrow and give you some help
on at
  least one of the places you asked for help, and, if no one tells you
  there are a few typo/grammar errors that I spotted reading through it.

           I am so grateful for Paul Bohman's version .... his
  these documents into usable segments helped me understand the
  of the document and it was easier to use this time than previous --
  cause I've seen Paul's organization ... <grin> ...

           Wendy, Joel Sanda asks about illustrating the illustration
  content. Can you tell him where to see what I did last time we were
  to do that? We need to stabilize the text before we begin to build the
  illustrations. Is your illustrator joining us?

           I look forward to this draft passing the consensus so we
  have to hang a label over this one "under construction" ... with the
  earthmover icon!....


  At 01:45 PM 7/31/01 -0400, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
  >A new draft is available.  The 26 July 2001 version did not have
  >to checkpoints 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4. This draft updates
  >those, as well as incorporates discussion on checkpoint 2.1 from the
  >July 2001 telecon on the 26 July 2001 working draft.
  >Again, I suggest people read the change log first:
  >I have identified several issues again and highlighted major changes,
  >as combining checkpoints.
  >I included my proposed checkpoint 3.4 with some minor changes.  I
  >forward to responses on this.  If it is too controversial, I will
  >back to the previous draft or suggest people provide proposals for
  >something that is more acceptable.  We are working to publish a
  >working draft on 10 August 2001.  We don't need to have consensus for
  >working draft, but we also don't want to publish anything that
  >substantial errors or disagreement.
  >If possible, we might just put a placeholder for checkpoint 3.4 that
  >"A checkpoint on providing illustrations will go here. The working
  >does not have sufficient agreement to publish anything at this time."
  >The draft itself is available at:
  >For the latest draft, always refer to:
  >This redirects to the current version.
  >I look forward to your comments.
  >wendy a chisholm
  >world wide web consortium
  >web accessibility initiative
  >seattle, wa usa

  Anne Pemberton


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