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RE: RE Checkpoint 3.4 again

From: Joel Sanda <joels@ecollege.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:33:13 -0600
Message-ID: <2FECE9363D811B418C3F282834F172A56DBE17@sundance>
To: "'Anne Pemberton'" <apembert@erols.com>, "'Jo Miller'" <jo@bendingline.com>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Anne -

Any method of representing one thing with another is a symbolic system of
expression. But that means pure text is symbolic, as well - as is all
language. The fear many of have, though, is that we're enforcing methods of
expression onto developers and content authors. 

So we are talking about a symbolic system since we're using (or in the case
of 3.4 insisting) folks uses additional symbols to express ideas, concepts,
processes, and relationships. (insert your text for the checkpoint here).

But I really think we have to say *IF* you are going to provide alternative
symbols for the presentation of ideas, concepts, processes, and
relationships, then follow these guidelines.

By way of example I'd suggest your GeoCities Holiday's page at:
http://www.geocities.com/apembert45/holidays/. That's an incredibly rich
*SYMBOLIC* representation of ideas, contained in text and images. With a
little JavaScript and the right sound files a mouseOver could produce
meaningful sound *symbolice* representations of the ideas.

But requiring this of developers and content authors makes the WCAG 2.0
*in*accessible to many. I don't feat excess - I fear folks pointint the
guidelines and using 3.4 as a good business (resource) reason to not make
the effort at implementing 3.4.

Joel Sanda 
Product Manager
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-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Pemberton [mailto:apembert@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:09 PM
To: Joel Sanda; 'Jo Miller'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: RE Checkpoint 3.4 again

Joel, Jo, and others,

         Please let me say again for the umpteenth time, what I am after is 
NOT any symbolic system. I just want the pages illustrated.

         I do NOT have the fears so many of you do that this will open the 
way to excess. While it is possible to have too much content on a page, 
there is nothing intrinsic to graphics and multi-media that can get 
excessive .... how many times have you clicked off a long-winded page 
halfway thru when it showed no sign of improving?

         Those of you new to the discussion missed the last time there was 
a request to illustrate what was meant in guideline 3, and I made up some 
illustrations in a very quick amount of time. They weren't near a much fun 
as Charles new ones .... which you notice, he did in pretty quick time, 
probably using software he uses somewhat regularly for other neat 
stuff.  Illustrating your meaning isn't brain surgery .... it's one of the 
first things you were able to do with a hyperlink!


Anne Pemberton

Received on Wednesday, 1 August 2001 16:33:16 UTC

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