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Draft Minutes of the 2001-08-17 Telecon

From: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:19:16 +0100
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RDFCore WG 2001-08-17 Teleconference Minutes

Transcript:

 http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2001-08-17.html

Agenda:

 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0071.html

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Roll call:

  Participants:
  - Art Barstow
  - Dave Beckett
  - Dan Connolly
  - Ron Daniel (part time)
  - Pat Hayes
  - Martyn Horner
  - Brian McBride (chair)
  - Eric Miller  (part meeting)
  - Stephen Petschulat (scribe)
  - Pierre G. Richard (part meeting)
  - Jos De Roo
  - Aaron Swartz

  Regrets:
  - Dan Brickley
  - Mike Dean
  - Jan Grant
  - Graham Klyne
  - Frank Manola

  Absent:
  - Frank Boumphrey
  - Bill dehOra
  - Rael Dornfest
  - Guha
  - KWON, Hyung-Jin
  - Michael Kopchenov
  - Yoshiyuki Kitahara
  - Ora Lassila
  - Sergey Melnik
  - Satoshi Nakamura
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REVIEW MINUTES OF MEETING on 27th July 2001

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0065.html

These minutes were approved.


REVIEW MINUTES OF FACE TO FACE MEETING 1-2 AUG 2001

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/

dated: dated $Id: Overview.html,v 1.29 2001/07/27 16:00:21 bmcbride Exp $

ACTION 2001-08-17#1 Brian Update to show Mike Dean present for part of
       meeting.

ACTION 2001-08-17#2 Brian Remove decision

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/2001-08-02.html#T21-09-50

as no decision was formally made.

ACTION 2001-08-17#3 Gather copies of presentations and other materials for
the record and add to the web site.

ACTION 2001-08-17#4 Jos reported broken links in the minutes.  Art
noted the link checker at:

  http://validator.w3.org/checklink

The record will be updated and reviewed again at the next teleconference.

ACTION 2001-08-17#5 Eric Miller Write a newletter summary of the face to
face for ciculation to the W3C members.


CONFIRM FOLLOWING ACTIONS COMPLETED (2 min)

The following actions were confirmed completed:

ACTION 2001-07-20#6 - DanBri - send a note to the list that 
        describes the RDF Schema issues that he wants to discuss
        at the f2f meeting

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0438.html

ACTION 2001-08-01#1 Mike Dean Provide public URL to his presentation

  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0037.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0051/01-RDF_Model_Theory_postF2F.html

ACTION 2001-08-02#5 Sergey Melnick Send copy of document projected
at meeting to the mailing list

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/sergey.txt

ACTION 2001-08-02#6 Brian McBride Approach Jeremy Carrol to help
with RDF/XML language definition.

ACTION 2001-08-02#8 Dan Brickley Ensure that the document projected,
as amended during the meeting goes on line.

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/ericsdoc.txt

2001-08-02#11 Graham Klyne Post message to list describing how CC/PP
uses datatypes

  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0028.html

ACTION 2001-08-02#18 Jan Grant Propose an explanation of why a 
subproperty of a transitive property need not be transititive.

  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0031.html

ACTION 2001-08-02#20 Ron Daniel Post his list of agreed principles
to the list.

  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0001.html

ACTION 2001-08-02#21 Brian McBride Propose structure of documents to
be produced

ACTION 2001-08-02#24 Brian McBride Open rdfs-no-cycles-in-subClassOf
with Frank Manola as owner

ACTION 2001-07-27#3 - Brian - Update f2f page to point to Pat's
model theory

The following action remains open as Pat does not consider it completed.

ACTION 2001-08-02#4 Pat Hayes Re-write model theory as an
interpretation of a graph rather than n-triple 



CONFIRM FOLLOWING ACTIONS CLOSED

ACTION: 2001-06-22#5: DanBri: Get a draft of RDFSchema to the
group.

ACTION 2001-07-20#1 - all WG members - send regrets to Eric Miller
ASAP if you not be able to attend the meeting.

ACTION 2001-07-20#5 - Sergey - summarize the model theory
references

ACTION 2001-07-27#4 - Pat - create table of pros/cons for model
theory for f2f

These actions were confirmed closed.


REVIEW STATUS OF FOLLOWING ACTIONS (5 min)

ACTION: 2001-07-06#2 (danbri) - write test cases for the RDF schema
issues that are impacted by literals-as-resources.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2000-07-20#10 - Bill - create xml:lang use cases

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-07-27#1 - EricM - For 2001-07-20 minutes re
character-encoding issue, to write up his correction and  send to list

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-07-27#2 - Bill - For 2001-07-20 minutes, Bill to send
mail clarifying his action to review M+S w.r.t. what it says
about literals.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-01#2 Brickley - Get Model Theory Introduction Slides
online

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-01#3 Pat Hayes Include example in model theory slides

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#7 Dave Beckett With help from Art and Jan,
investigate how to represent RDF/XML grammar and the specification of the
transformation of RDF/XML to a graph representation.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#10 Jan Grant Write up a fix/workaround for folks
using the currently defined semantics for domain and range constraints.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#12 Jan Grant Post message to list about how EASEL
uses datatypes

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#13 Pat Hayes Post message explaining why having
the typing at the top of the hierarchy in RDFS is not a set 
theoretical hole.

DONE

ACTION 2001-08-02#14 Ora Lassila Talk to Ian and Frank and get 
background on why they require cycles in rdfs:subClassOf
relationship.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#15 Pat Hayes Discuss cycles in rdfs:subClassOf and
rdfs:subPropertyOf with DAML folks and report back to us.

CONTINUED - Plan to discuss at next DAML telecon

ACTION 2001-08-02#15 Sergey Melnik Discuss reification alterantives
with Pat Hayes.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#22 Hyung-Jin Kwon Make his presentation available
on the web and  circulate URL to the list.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#33 Dan Brickley Form task force with Graham Klyne,
Martyn Horner and Jan Grant to investigate the DAML+OIL approach
to XML datatypes.

CONTINUED

ACTION 2001-08-02#23 Brian McBride Update schedule to aim for
WWW2002 announcement.

CONTINUED

All of the following actions, described in 

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/#actions

to the RDF Schema working draft were CONTINUED
 
2001-08-02#9 2001-08-02#25 2001-08-02#26 2001-08-02#27 2001-08-02#28 
2001-08-02#29 2001-08-02#30 2001-08-02#31 2001-08-02#32 2001-08-02#32 
2001-08-02#17 2001-08-02#19 


Discuss the strawman document structure: (15 mins)

  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0038.html

After discussion the following actions were assigned:

ACTION 2001-08-17#6 Dave Beckett Write strawman WD on Experimental RDF
XML Syntax

ACTION 2001-08-17#7 Pat Hayes write strawman WD on model theory with 
reification and containers removed.

ACTION 2001-08-17#8 Art Barstow Write strawman WD on test cases (
including n-triples).

Issue #rdfms-glossary  Martyn (10 mins)

Martyn has a submitted an initial document:
       
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0064/01-RDFTerminologyConcepts.html

ACTION: Martyn to update this document and collect feedback.


Issue #rdfs-transitive-subSubProperty

Review Jan's message
  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0031.html

It was proposed that Jan's message resolves this issue and that the action
should be closed.  However, no formal decision was recorded.


Issue #rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure (10 mins)

  
http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure

Jeremy volunteered to own this issue, but will now be on vacation for
two weeks.

Model Theory (10 mins)

The latest model theory was discussed

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0051/01-RDF_Model_Theory_postF2F.html

Concern was raised that the assignment of terms of the RDF and RDFS namespaces
causes confusion.


Next telecon - 10am Boston time, 27th August 2001.

AOB (5 mins)

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