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Re: Draft Minutes of the 2001-08-17 Telecon

From: Stephen Petschulat/CanWest/IBM <spetschu@ca.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:50:19 -0700
To: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Cc: rdf core <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OF26C3E4AE.C040A187-ON88256AB2.004C2446@mkm.can.ibm.com>

My apologies to Brian... I completely forgot about the meeting minutes and
haven't been able to check RDF email for the past few days so Brian had to
do them up at the last minute. Sorry again..

- steve

Stephen Petschulat



                                                                                                                        
                    Brian McBride                                                                                       
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The actions 2001-08-17#3 and 2001-08-17#4 should be assigned to Brian
McBride.

Brian


Brian McBride wrote:
>
> RDFCore WG 2001-08-17 Teleconference Minutes
>
> Transcript:
>
>  http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2001-08-17.html
>
> Agenda:
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0071.html
>
> -----
>
> Roll call:
>
>   Participants:
>   - Art Barstow
>   - Dave Beckett
>   - Dan Connolly
>   - Ron Daniel (part time)
>   - Pat Hayes
>   - Martyn Horner
>   - Brian McBride (chair)
>   - Eric Miller  (part meeting)
>   - Stephen Petschulat (scribe)
>   - Pierre G. Richard (part meeting)
>   - Jos De Roo
>   - Aaron Swartz
>
>   Regrets:
>   - Dan Brickley
>   - Mike Dean
>   - Jan Grant
>   - Graham Klyne
>   - Frank Manola
>
>   Absent:
>   - Frank Boumphrey
>   - Bill dehOra
>   - Rael Dornfest
>   - Guha
>   - KWON, Hyung-Jin
>   - Michael Kopchenov
>   - Yoshiyuki Kitahara
>   - Ora Lassila
>   - Sergey Melnik
>   - Satoshi Nakamura
> -----
>
> REVIEW MINUTES OF MEETING on 27th July 2001
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0065.html
>
> These minutes were approved.
>
> REVIEW MINUTES OF FACE TO FACE MEETING 1-2 AUG 2001
>
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/
>
> dated: dated $Id: Overview.html,v 1.29 2001/07/27 16:00:21 bmcbride Exp $
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#1 Brian Update to show Mike Dean present for part of
>        meeting.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#2 Brian Remove decision
>
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/2001-08-02.html#T21-09-50
>
> as no decision was formally made.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#3 Gather copies of presentations and other materials
for
> the record and add to the web site.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#4 Jos reported broken links in the minutes.  Art
> noted the link checker at:
>
>   http://validator.w3.org/checklink
>
> The record will be updated and reviewed again at the next teleconference.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#5 Eric Miller Write a newletter summary of the face to
> face for ciculation to the W3C members.
>
> CONFIRM FOLLOWING ACTIONS COMPLETED (2 min)
>
> The following actions were confirmed completed:
>
> ACTION 2001-07-20#6 - DanBri - send a note to the list that
>         describes the RDF Schema issues that he wants to discuss
>         at the f2f meeting
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0438.html
>
> ACTION 2001-08-01#1 Mike Dean Provide public URL to his presentation
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0037.html
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0051/01-RDF_Model_Theory_postF2F.html

>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#5 Sergey Melnick Send copy of document projected
> at meeting to the mailing list
>
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/sergey.txt
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#6 Brian McBride Approach Jeremy Carrol to help
> with RDF/XML language definition.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#8 Dan Brickley Ensure that the document projected,
> as amended during the meeting goes on line.
>
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/ericsdoc.txt
>
> 2001-08-02#11 Graham Klyne Post message to list describing how CC/PP
> uses datatypes
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0028.html
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#18 Jan Grant Propose an explanation of why a
> subproperty of a transitive property need not be transititive.
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0031.html
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#20 Ron Daniel Post his list of agreed principles
> to the list.
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0001.html
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#21 Brian McBride Propose structure of documents to
> be produced
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#24 Brian McBride Open rdfs-no-cycles-in-subClassOf
> with Frank Manola as owner
>
> ACTION 2001-07-27#3 - Brian - Update f2f page to point to Pat's
> model theory
>
> The following action remains open as Pat does not consider it completed.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#4 Pat Hayes Re-write model theory as an
> interpretation of a graph rather than n-triple
>
> CONFIRM FOLLOWING ACTIONS CLOSED
>
> ACTION: 2001-06-22#5: DanBri: Get a draft of RDFSchema to the
> group.
>
> ACTION 2001-07-20#1 - all WG members - send regrets to Eric Miller
> ASAP if you not be able to attend the meeting.
>
> ACTION 2001-07-20#5 - Sergey - summarize the model theory
> references
>
> ACTION 2001-07-27#4 - Pat - create table of pros/cons for model
> theory for f2f
>
> These actions were confirmed closed.
>
> REVIEW STATUS OF FOLLOWING ACTIONS (5 min)
>
> ACTION: 2001-07-06#2 (danbri) - write test cases for the RDF schema
> issues that are impacted by literals-as-resources.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2000-07-20#10 - Bill - create xml:lang use cases
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-07-27#1 - EricM - For 2001-07-20 minutes re
> character-encoding issue, to write up his correction and  send to list
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-07-27#2 - Bill - For 2001-07-20 minutes, Bill to send
> mail clarifying his action to review M+S w.r.t. what it says
> about literals.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-01#2 Brickley - Get Model Theory Introduction Slides
> online
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-01#3 Pat Hayes Include example in model theory slides
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#7 Dave Beckett With help from Art and Jan,
> investigate how to represent RDF/XML grammar and the specification of the
> transformation of RDF/XML to a graph representation.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#10 Jan Grant Write up a fix/workaround for folks
> using the currently defined semantics for domain and range constraints.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#12 Jan Grant Post message to list about how EASEL
> uses datatypes
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#13 Pat Hayes Post message explaining why having
> the typing at the top of the hierarchy in RDFS is not a set
> theoretical hole.
>
> DONE
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#14 Ora Lassila Talk to Ian and Frank and get
> background on why they require cycles in rdfs:subClassOf
> relationship.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#15 Pat Hayes Discuss cycles in rdfs:subClassOf and
> rdfs:subPropertyOf with DAML folks and report back to us.
>
> CONTINUED - Plan to discuss at next DAML telecon
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#15 Sergey Melnik Discuss reification alterantives
> with Pat Hayes.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#22 Hyung-Jin Kwon Make his presentation available
> on the web and  circulate URL to the list.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#33 Dan Brickley Form task force with Graham Klyne,
> Martyn Horner and Jan Grant to investigate the DAML+OIL approach
> to XML datatypes.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> ACTION 2001-08-02#23 Brian McBride Update schedule to aim for
> WWW2002 announcement.
>
> CONTINUED
>
> All of the following actions, described in
>
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/#actions
>
> to the RDF Schema working draft were CONTINUED
>
> 2001-08-02#9 2001-08-02#25 2001-08-02#26 2001-08-02#27 2001-08-02#28
> 2001-08-02#29 2001-08-02#30 2001-08-02#31 2001-08-02#32 2001-08-02#32
> 2001-08-02#17 2001-08-02#19
>
> Discuss the strawman document structure: (15 mins)
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0038.html
>
> After discussion the following actions were assigned:
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#6 Dave Beckett Write strawman WD on Experimental RDF
> XML Syntax
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#7 Pat Hayes write strawman WD on model theory with
> reification and containers removed.
>
> ACTION 2001-08-17#8 Art Barstow Write strawman WD on test cases (
> including n-triples).
>
> Issue #rdfms-glossary  Martyn (10 mins)
>
> Martyn has a submitted an initial document:
>
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0064/01-RDFTerminologyConcepts.html

>
> ACTION: Martyn to update this document and collect feedback.
>
> Issue #rdfs-transitive-subSubProperty
>
> Review Jan's message
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/0031.html
>
> It was proposed that Jan's message resolves this issue and that the
action
> should be closed.  However, no formal decision was recorded.
>
> Issue #rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure (10 mins)
>
>
> http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure
>
> Jeremy volunteered to own this issue, but will now be on vacation for
> two weeks.
>
> Model Theory (10 mins)
>
> The latest model theory was discussed
>
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Aug/att-0051/01-RDF_Model_Theory_postF2F.html

>
> Concern was raised that the assignment of terms of the RDF and RDFS
namespaces
> causes confusion.
>
> Next telecon - 10am Boston time, 27th August 2001.
>
> AOB (5 mins)
>
> CLOSE
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