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Re: Draft minutes of 20040527 telecon

From: Natasha Noy <noy@SMI.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:50:20 -0700
Message-Id: <7CB434BA-B0CF-11D8-BD67-000A958B5C28@smi.stanford.edu>
Cc: Guus Schreiber <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>, SWBPD list <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
To: "McBride, Brian" <brian.mcbride@hp.com>

I am not sure if this is should be an ammedment to the minutes, but in 
our discussion of current OEP notes yesterday, we missed Alan's note on 
patterns for creating Lists of Values in OWL:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0104.html
	
Natasha

On May 28, 2004, at 4:33 AM, McBride, Brian wrote:

>
> Semantic Web Best Practives and Deployment WG telecon, 27 May 2004 
> 1800 UTC
>
> New Action Summary
>
> ACTION: Ralph add to the WG home page a note informing the public that 
> they
> are free to write to the WG mailing list and to use the string 
> "comment:" in
> their subject
>
> ACTION: bwm Propose ammendments to the classes as values note.
>
> ACTION: Ralph get advice on using WG Note vs. Working Draft for early 
> SWBPD
> documents.
>
> ACTION: guus to provide description of process for publishing notes
>
> ACTION: ralph remind TF leaders they can use intermediate weeks, 
> between WG
> telecons, for TF telecons.
>
> ACTION: guus to discuss with Jim Hendler how to push this forward.
>
> ACTION Aldo Prepare summary of Wordnet proposal document, and send to
> Christiane after review by the WG.
>
>
> Decision Summary
>
> Non WG members should post comments to the main WG list
>
> Agenda: 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0131.html
>
> Present:
>
> Pat Hayes, Brian_McBride (scribe), Ralph Swick (team contact),
> Guus_Schreiber(chair), Dan Brickley, Libby Miller, Natasha Noy, Jen 
> Golbeck,
> [Sophia], Fabien Gandon, Evan Wallace, Aldo Gangemi, Jeremy Carroll 
> (part
> time), Christiane Fellbaum (part time)
>
>
> 1. ADMINISTRIVIA (10 min)
>
> Role call
>
> Present:
>
> Pat Hayes, Brian_McBride (scribe), Ralph Swick (team contact),
> Guus_Schreiber(chair), Dan Brickley, Libby Miller, Natasha Noy, Jen 
> Golbeck,
> Fabien Gandon, Evan Wallace, Aldo Gangemi, Jeremy Carroll (part time),
> +1.609.258.aaaa (?), Christiane Fellbaum (part time)
>
> Regrets:
>
> Alan Rector, Deborah McGuinness, Jos De Roo, Gary Ng, Bernard Vatant, 
> Tom
> Baker, Marco Nanni, Aditya Kalyanpur, Nick Gibbins, Jacco Ossenbruggen
>
> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the May 13 telecon:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0099.html
>
> Seconded Pat Hayes
> SO RESOLVED
>
> Next telecon: June 10, 1400 UTC
> Dan Brickley to scribe
>
>
> Agenda amendments
> None proposed.
>
> Medium for public comments on SWBPD:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0106.html
>
> Agreed to begin using a single list and allowing non WG members to post
> comments to it.
>
> ACTION: Ralph add to the WG home page a note informing the public that 
> they
> are free to write to the WG mailing list and to use the string 
> "comment:" in
> their subject
>
> 2 ACTION ITEM REVIEW( 10 min)
>
> ACTION Guus to contribute a pattern on quantities for May 27th telecon
> Continued
>
> ACTION Guus to contribute a pattern on qualified-cardinality 
> restriction for
> May 27th telecon
> Done
>
> ACTION Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles by June 10th telecon
> Continued
>
> ACTION Ralph to add completed and "under consideration" TFs to the
> description on the web page 
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Tasks
> Continued.  Expect to complete as soon as publishing problem is fixed.
>
> ACTION Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite 
> them to
> join the XSCH TF
> Started, but we missed the XML Schema f2f.  Continued.
>
> ACTION Ralph and Jeremy to update XSCH TF description
> Continue
>
> ACTION Alistair, using the SKOS note as a strawman, to discuss how to 
> adapt
> it to a WG note
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0209.html
> Continued
>
> ACTION DanBri to propose a short-term plan for the THES TF
> Continue
>
> ACTION DanBri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair
> Done.  Request made to systeam.
>
> ACTION Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg
> Continue. Guus to complete within one week.
>
> ACTION Evan to report on the status of the UML profile for ontologies 
> in
> June
> Continue.
>
> ACTION Libby propose repository for apps based on test-repository
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0048.html
> Done.
>
> ACTION Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and tricks"
> Continue.
>
> ACTION: Ralph provide W3C style pointers to Natasha
> Done.
>
> 3. TASK FORCES (30-45 min)
>
> The chair comments that there were 16 people present at the informal WG
> dinner in Crete.  He noted that this WG has the difficulty that there 
> is
> much interest in the product of the WG, but that it is hard to get the
> reources to do the work.  We must take steps to manage expectations 
> and to
> try to get some first results out before the summer.
>
> TF leaders to give status update plus point to discussion items, if any
>
>
> 3.1 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns
> Coordinator: Deb McGuinness, Mike Uschold
>
> Current (draft) notes:
> 1. classes as values
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0067.html
>
> Describing this document as near final stimulated many comments.  
> Natasha
> feels it needs at least one more iteration.  Brian expressed concern 
> that
> the scope of the document is too narrow.  Natasha did not see what more
> could be said and invited Brian to edit the document to illustrate 
> what he
> means.
>
> ACTION: bwm Propose ammendments to the classes as values note.
>
> 2. n-ary relations
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0010.html
>
> Waiting to coordinate with Alan.  Plan to have new draft by next 
> telecon.
> The new draft will not be Owl specific, but there may be unresolved 
> issues.
>
> 3. qualified cardinality restrictions
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0127.html
> May reprioritise this as it is owl specific.
>
> The chair is hoping to publish all three of these before the summer.
>
> Brian asked about the publication process.  He wanted to be sure there 
> was
> appropriate scope for public comment before the WG considers a document
> done.  Specifically, is the WG going to publish Working Drafts.  
> Concern was
> raised about the process implications with respect to IP of publishing 
> WDs.
> Concern was raised that the process document says that publishing a 
> Working
> Group note indicates that work on a topic has ended.
>
> ACTION: Ralph get advice on using WG Note vs. Working Draft for early 
> SWBPD
> documents
>
> ACTION: ralph to discuss publication process with process experts.
>
> ACTION: guus to provide description of process for publishing notes
>
> 3.3. THES - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL
> Coordinator: Dan Brickley
>
> Continue with current action.
>
> 3.3 WRLD - World View
> Coordinator: Jim Hendler
> Short-term plan:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0057.html
>
> ACTION: ralph remind TF leaders they can use intermediate weeks, 
> between WG
> telecons, for TF telecons.
>
> ACTION: guus to discuss with Jim Hendler how to push this forward.
>
>
> 3.4 XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes
> Coordinator: Jeremy Carroll & (open - XML Schema WG)
>
>  Liaison with XML Schema:
>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0078.html
>
> Not discussed in Jeremy's absence.
>
> 3.5 ADTF - Applications and Demos
> Coordinator (for the moment): Libby Miller
> TF description:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0048.html
>
> The aim of this task force has changed to creating a list of demos and
> applications.  Libby has proposed a template for describing them.
>
> ACTION libby update task force description
>
> ACTION libby complete template for applications from the 2003 SW 
> challenge
>
> ACTION guus complete template for Finish museums example
>
> ACTION danbri complete template for FOAF
>
> ACTION ralph complete template for Annotea
>
> ACTION libby complete template for web conference photo applications
>
> DECISION: Use the SWAD-E weblog for capturing these.
>
> There was discussion of simple developers tools, e.g. the 10 line perl
> script to extract XMP data from Adobe documents.
>
>       http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/200206/imagemeta/extract/extract
>
>
> 4. WORDNET TASK FORCE
>
> [Christiane Fellbaum expected to join the discussion]
> Issues to discuss:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0075.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0081.html
>
> Christiane introduced herself as working on Wordnet, an author of a 
> book on
> Wordnet and interested in spreading the use of Wordnet.  She stated 
> that
> Wordnet is really a lexicon and she is interested in mapping it to an
> ontology and thus she is sympathetic to our request.  However she has 
> also
> been contacted by Adam Pease and is wondering if we are competing.
>
> [Adam Pease chaired IJCAI-2001 Workshop on the IEEE Standard Upper 
> Ontology
> , per http://home.earthlink.net/~adampease/professional/ ]
>
> Guus responded that the rationale for this task force is that there are
> several different translations of Wordnet to semantic web languages 
> and it
> would promote interoperability and use of Wordnet to agree on one
> representation using one namespace.  Thus we are not competing with 
> Adam.
>
> Guus explained that we are proposing two steps.  The first step, the 
> low
> hanging fruit, is create a direct translation of Wordnet in a semantic 
> web
> language.  The second step, which is not yet ready for standardization 
> given
> there is no consensus on how to do it, is how to relate Wordnet to an
> ontology.  However we can facilitate this research if it can be based 
> on a
> common encoding of Wordnet in a semantic web language.
>
> Christiane agreed that we are not yet ready to standardize the mapping 
> to an
> ontology and with the split into two phases, doing the first one first.
>
> Guus suggested that if we can agree on a namespace and on an encoding 
> then
> the working group will provide the tools to do the translation from the
> prolog form of Wordnet to RDF.  Guus requested that the translation be
> shipped as part of the standard wordnet distribution.
>
> Christiane, whilst emphasizing that she has not resources, agreed that 
> the
> Wordnet group would help with reviewing the proposed translation and
> advising on solutions to technical issues.  She also agreed that the 
> Wordnet
> team maintain Wordnet and this might be shipped in the next version.
>
> There was some dicussion of ongoing maintenance that didn't reach a 
> firm
> conclusion.
>
> Christiane asked if there were commercial aspects to this work, and 
> Guus
> replied that this is the product of a W3C working group, working in 
> public,
> so not directly.
>
> Christiane stated she was sympathetic to the proposal and requested 
> the WG
> provide a document summarizing the proposal she could use to discuss 
> with
> her colleagues.  Aldo agreed to produce this document.  It was agreed 
> it
> would be reviewed by the WG before being sent to Christiane.
>
> Guus emphasized the internationalization aspects of the encoding.
>
> ACTION Aldo Prepare summary of Wordnet proposal document, and send to
> Christiane after review by the WG.
>
> Danbri thanked Christiane for Wordnet which he described as a great 
> resource
> he has been using for 5 years and asked about future plans for Wordnet.
> Christiane replied that it is largely stable, though still changing, 
> it will
> change more slowly.  Asked about proposals to change the upper level
> structure, Christiane replied that the Wordnet team were not always 
> aware of
> such proposals.
>
> Meeting Adjourned
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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