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Re: A URI(Web ID) for the semantic web community as a foaf:Group

From: KangHao Lu (Kenny) <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:36:13 +0900
Cc: ML public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
Message-Id: <BEEF353B-9EAC-4FA4-A6A2-41A042D65C6D@csail.mit.edu>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>

On 2010/03/27, at 0:27, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

> Kenny,
>
> This URI is inaccurate re. DBpedia developers:
> <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/page/projects/Project13>
>
> To be precise:
> <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/page/projects/Project13>  
> is one of the teams that works on extraction and transformation of  
> Wikipedia content into RDF.

Oops, my mistake, it should be <http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/is-group/resource/projects/Project13 
 > , which is a doap:Project with information of developers,  
programming languages, and software information like that (or maybe it  
means a previous try on RDFizing wikipedia?). It certainly isn't <http://dbpedia.org/resoucr/DBPedia 
 > if the latter means something conceptually broader. (Or you might  
want to make owl:sameAs link to two projects, I don't like this idea,  
though).

>
>> So, for things to work. I would just recommend to place a N3 file  
>> at http://linkeddata.org/data . It can be maintained manually by  
>> Tom or we can have a very simple form for updating WebIDs of SWIG  
>> people.
> Hmm, there once was an instance of Virtuoso+ODS at: <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods 
> > that actually gave all members of LOD a URI.
The point is we don't want machine generated URIs (sorry I can't see  
what's inside <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> cause it's down  
for the moment). We should have triples like

<http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i 
 >.
<http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card#me 
 > .
<http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I 
 > .
<http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member<http://kidehen.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this 
 > .

that is, URIs of different domains in the proposed file already,  
without asking these people to make the updates (this makes things  
easier, you know, for example, timbl would be too busy to even make  
such a little update). The rest depends on what's inside the FOAFs  
(bblfish, you ought to make DOAP for your projects and add links from  
yourself to those projects!!) We can use machine generated URIs, but  
we need to manually maintain those owl:sameAs mappings anyway.

> All you have to do is walk through the LOD mail archives to see how  
> it came to an end. Tom Heath didn't want it there, and as far as I  
> was concerned, I simply wasn't interested in grappling with him; its  
> his domain (bottom line) and he has the right to do whatever with it  
> (my last comments in an old mail thread about this matter).
I suppose you meant http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2008Apr/0116.html 
  ? Could you give me another pointer if I am wrong?

I guess Tom was simply unwilling to set up a system as huge as ODS. My  
proposal only requires a little space for plain-text N3. Anyway, I  
want to ask "what SWIG people are doing?" as fast as possible, so I  
prefer a simple approach.

I could place this file in the domain of my organization, or we can  
ask W3C people to make such a little file. The choice of  
linkeddata.org is because it somehow represents our community, since  
it's the first hit.

> Dog-fooding is what I sought, but I can only assume, my objectives  
> where totally unclear.
>
> There is a strange irony that continues to play out with this thing  
> called the World Wide Web, it doesn't have an eraser, but we  
> continue to act as though it does or we can't be bothered to lookup  
> the past (even via Google) etc..
It was a real pain to find the above link. Well, text search is like  
that, very silly. I would be very happy if I have to chance to SIOCize  
W3C mailing lists and make a SPARQL endpoint for that.

Also, when something is brought up again and again, that usually means  
the importance of such thing.

Kenny




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