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Contd: A URI(Web ID) for the semantic web community as a foaf:Group

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:06:31 -0400
Message-ID: <4BACE997.4080006@openlinksw.com>
To: "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>
CC: ML public-lod <public-lod@w3.org>, Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
KangHao Lu (Kenny) wrote:
> [SNIP]

> The point is we don't want machine generated URIs (sorry I can't see 
> what's inside <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> cause it's down 
> for the moment). We should have triples like
Please note, I was trying to tell you that there once lived a Linked 
Data Space that was put in place for dog-fooding. It came to be in 2008 
prior to WWW2008 in Beijing.

As I said, Tom Heath nuked it, you should be able to find the thread 
about this via mailing list archives.

Please digest what I am saying.
>
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i>.
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card#me> .
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> foaf:member 
> <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> .
> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig> 
> foaf:member<http://kidehen.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this> .
Yes, I do understand all of that :-)

And even more, I await the RDF data at this URL: 
<http://linkeddata.org/data> <http://linkeddata.org/data#swig>
>
> that is, URIs of different domains in the proposed file already, 
> without asking these people to make the updates (this makes things 
> easier, you know, for example, timbl would be too busy to even make 
> such a little update). The rest depends on what's inside the FOAFs 
> (bblfish, you ought to make DOAP for your projects and add links from 
> yourself to those projects!!) We can use machine generated URIs, but 
> we need to manually maintain those owl:sameAs mappings anyway.
>
>> All you have to do is walk through the LOD mail archives to see how 
>> it came to an end. Tom Heath didn't want it there, and as far as I 
>> was concerned, I simply wasn't interested in grappling with him; its 
>> his domain (bottom line) and he has the right to do whatever with it 
>> (my last comments in an old mail thread about this matter).
> I suppose you meant 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2008Apr/0116.html ? 
> Could you give me another pointer if I am wrong?
That was about history, the Linked Data Space has long gone. Of course, 
I can make another one, but I am not going to use linkeddata.org, after 
my last experience.
>
> I guess Tom was simply unwilling to set up a system as huge as ODS. My 
> proposal only requires a little space for plain-text N3. Anyway, I 
> want to ask "what SWIG people are doing?" as fast as possible, so I 
> prefer a simple approach.
Why speak for Tom? Why jump to conclusions about ODS? This has little to 
do with ODS (since http://community.linkeddata.org was just a DNS entry 
mapped to a space I set up).

Can't get an N3 representation of my profile at: 
<http://kingsley.idehen.name/dataspace/person/kidehen> or 
<http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen> ? Both of which 
are produced by ODS post account creation with FOAF+SSL to boot, all in 
5 minutes or less.


>
> I could place this file in the domain of my organization, or we can 
> ask W3C people to make such a little file. The choice of 
> linkeddata.org is because it somehow represents our community, since 
> it's the first hit. 
>
>> Dog-fooding is what I sought, but I can only assume, my objectives 
>> where totally unclear.
>>
>> There is a strange irony that continues to play out with this thing 
>> called the World Wide Web, it doesn't have an eraser, but we continue 
>> to act as though it does or we can't be bothered to lookup the past 
>> (even via Google) etc..
> It was a real pain to find the above link. Well, text search is like 
> that, very silly. I would be very happy if I have to chance to SIOCize 
> W3C mailing lists and make a SPARQL endpoint for that.
Again, dog-fooding, of course you shouldn't need Google, but until you 
feel the pain, asking you to perform a Precision Search and Find would 
sound like nothing more than a product sales pitch :-)
>
> Also, when something is brought up again and again, that usually means 
> the importance of such thing.

Tell me about it :-)

>
> Kenny
>


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