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TELECON AGENDA 4 March 2009

From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:36:21 -0800
To: public-forms@w3.org
Message-ID: <OF090006F6.074AAA26-ON8825756E.00768442-8825756E.0076A001@ca.ibm.com>
Regrets so far: Leigh (possibly late)
Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST)
Duration: 90 minutes

Previous minutes: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0088.html
IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-forms-minutes.html

Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
Kenneth/MarkS, Raman, Susan, Ulrich/Sebastian, Rafael/Rogelio, 
Charlie, Steven, Erik, Nick, Keith, MarkB/Paul, 

AGENDA ITEMS:
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* = be ready to discuss
+ = discuss time permitting

Reports, Etc.
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* Upcoming telecons
DST changes

Next FtF

* The Forms Newsletter/News items
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0094.html

XForms 1.1
Implementation report progress

XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1

Rich Web Application Backplane


Action Items
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Action Item List:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0093.html

Administrative Issues
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HTML Validator updates for XForms and "XForms for HTML"
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0063.html
- Discussed on Nov. 26, 2008

W3C Spec matrix
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0071.html
- Discussed on Nov. 26, 2008

Forms Task Force
- Latest: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-tf/2008Jun/0000.html
- Architecture alignment strawman: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0068.html

Fix our shortname issue
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions


PROGRESS ON WORKING GROUP GOALS
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Issue Classification
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Nothing new

* XForms 1.1 Completion
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Issues
- - - -
- Chiba implementation report (full)
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0002.html

- AgenceXML implementation report
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Feb/0028.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Mar/0000.html

- Spec error on "at" attribute
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0000.html

- Default for separator attribute
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0005.html

Latest implementation testing status
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0049.html


Test suite changes
- - - - - - - - - -
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0035.html

Modifications from Erik's action item?
Modifications from Nick's action items?

- Test 11.11.2.a
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0078.html

- Test B.14a move attribute
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Feb/0025.html

- Using submission to validate data
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0084.html

- relevance pruning before validation
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0083.html

- Question about how to update test 11.9.4.b
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0091.html

- problem with test 11.1.p
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0001.html

- Ongoing test suite maintenance
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0038.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0039.html

Advancing XForms for HTML
-------------------------
- Assertions
- Examples
- Test Suite

+ XForms 1.2 Features
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- Context everywhere, context on bind
- Data driven switch
- case()
- Better expression of default trigger
- submissions that put and get binary resources
- submission method default is "get"
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Feb/0065.html
- Ability to suppress RRRR on submission completion
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0007.html
- Lazy authoring improvement: empty instance exists even if no refs

Review Possibilities
JSON submissions?
submission to a "new" window?
mediatype="text/html" on textarea for rich text content?
XML Events 2?
Dialogs?
Model improvements (optional, nested, external/src, exceptions)?
UI event notification improvements?
See older issues below?

Analyzing Modularization for AJAX Programmers
---------------------------------------------

Modularization of XForms based on markup seemed at one point a necessary 
step of decoupling modules against which APIs could be written. 
However, the working group now wants to approach the problem by starting 
with the needed APIs and letting the modularization requirements follow.

XForms 2.0
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Refactor dependencies to detect automatic rebuild conditions and reduce 
circular dependencies
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0069/2008-05-28.html#topic6

Review possibilities

Older issues
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Currency data values, etc.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0041.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0043.html

Validity notification on initial or hidden data
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008May/0015.html
- Isn't it about time we add an xforms-control-initialize event?
- Seems we need it for modularization to work right
- Defer to face to face meeting

The xforms-link-exception
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0001.html
Discussed Aug. 20, 2008. Need to dispatch xforms-link-error to 
instance rather than link-exception to model. For legacy, if the
link-error bubbles up to model, it could throw link-exception, but
then the author can prevent the exception by cancelling the error
Note: xforms-link-error is not currently cancellable
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Aug/0003.html

xforms-submit-done response-body and host language submission result 
targeting
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0048.html
Discussed 21 May 2008; perhaps only for replace="none"
Concern was about efficiency.  Could add "want-response-body" default 
false in
xforms-submit, then if turned true the response-body would be non-empty in 
the
xforms-submit-done.  Host language could then push response-body content 
to
a new window.

xforms-submit-serialize receives empty submission-body value
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0061.html
Discussed 03 Dec 2008; decided to allow future version feature that
helps control whether submission body is empty on start
Context info of xforms-submit could provide a writable flag


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