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Re: TELECON AGENDA - 10 June 2009

From: Kenneth Sklander <kenneth@picoforms.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:08:44 +0200
Message-ID: <ecb12cfc0906100808r18d12321oe1c04ceb4c3b30e@mail.gmail.com>
To: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>, public-forms@w3.org
Hi group,

Per our discussion at the teleconference,  the list of 1.2 features
that seems particular interresting for our implementation or are
already implemented are:

Already implemented a similar feature:
# Custom XPath functions, e.g sumover(), also from host language e.g. javascript
# submissions that put and get binary resources
# setting submission method default to "get"
# Ability to suppress RRRR on submission completion and/or initialization
# JSON submissions
# submission to a "new" window
# Dialogs
# UI event notification improvements
# Better support for submission and model patterns for multipage web apps


New features that we particularly like:
# Data driven switch
# case() function
# Better expression of default trigger
# Simplified repeat patterns
# Refactor dependencies to detect automatic rebuild conditions and
reduce circular dependencies
# Structural calculates (like declarative insert/delete)

best.
kenneth

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:23 AM, John Boyer<boyerj@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Regrets so far: Charlie, Nick
> Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST)
> Duration: 90 minutes
>
> Previous minutes:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0012.html
> IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-forms-minutes.html
>
> Virtual face to face: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-forms-minutes.html
>
> Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
> Steven, Erik, MarkB, Ulrich/Sebastian, Charlie, Kenneth, Nick
>
> Raman?, Susan?, Rafael/Rogelio?
>
> AGENDA ITEMS:
> =============
> * = be ready to discuss
> + = discuss time permitting
>
> Reports, Etc.
> -------------
> Upcoming telecons
>
> * XForms 1.1
> - Implementation report progress/completion tasks (below)
>
> Next FtF
> Summer regrets: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formsabsence2009/
>
> The Forms Newsletter/News items
>
> XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1
>
> Rich Web Application Backplane
>
>
> Action Items
> ------------
> Action Item List:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0031.html
>
> Administrative Issues
> ---------------------
> Fix our shortname issue
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
> http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
>
> W3C Spec matrix
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0071.html
> - Discussed on Nov. 26, 2008
>
>
> PROGRESS ON WORKING GROUP GOALS
> ===============================
> * XForms 1.1 Issues
> -------------------
> - Advancement to PR
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0001.html
>
> - dispatch with delay question
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0006.html
>
> - case element documentation and schema
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0007.html
>
> - RNG schema
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0022.html
>
> - Forward links on selected submission attributes?
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0003.html
>
> Advancing XForms for HTML
> -------------------------
> - Assertions
> - Examples
> - Test Suite
>
> - Rationalization of XForms for HTML, RDFa, and ARIA
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0044.html
>
> * Forms Rechartering Discussion
> -------------------------------
> Do we recharter as the Forms working group or do we need a name change?
> e.g. the Content Intensive Applications (CIA) working group
>
> Backplane concepts seem to form one pillar of support for the continued
> group
> It is focused on integration of components and markups "on the glass"
>
> A second pillar seems to be aggregate applications, i.e. applications
> composed
> of multiple web pages or multiple users working in collaboration to create
> content that drives a business process or workflow
>
> A third pillar seems to be application of XForms to broader client contexts,
> including XForms for documents and XForms for HTML.
>
> A fourth pillar seems to be extensibility for authors, e.g. components,
> custom xpath functions, custom actions, custom model item properties,
> custom behaviors through XBL, better DOM interface, JSON, ...
>
> A fifth pillar seems to be Architectural and Language Advancement, e.g.
> - generalization of the component technologies
>   e.g. schema engine, xpath engine, XML Events 2
> - generalization of commonly used patterns into higher-order declarative
> markup
>   e.g. repeat patterns, wizard patterns, default trigger, dialog
> - generalization of processing and event lifecycles
>   e.g. multiple constraints per node, structural calculates, UI events
> revisited,
>        consolidated recalculate/revalidate, automatic rebuild detection,
> etc.
> - incremental refinements of existing features
>
> The existing working group members have varied interests that span these
> thematic clusters.
>
> We need to discuss what of this could go into a new charter,
> whether to recharter as Forms or under a new name,
> what spec(s) will form the deliverables,
> and how/when do we make a call for membership/interest in participating?
>
>
> * XForms Future Features
> ------------------------
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Future_Goals
>
> Recently Appearing on the List:
>
> - External models, partial models
>   Via src:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0057.html
>   Via XInclude:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0060.html
>   Requirements-based solution:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0064.html
>   Loading subforms:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0019.html
>
> - Data-driven switch
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0025.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0024.html
>
> - Alternative schema engines
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0017.html
>
> =============================================
>
> [[Magic for irc channel:
>
> /invite zakim
> zakim, this will be forms
> /invite rrsagent
> rrsagent, make log public
>
> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
> Agenda: <url of this message>
> Chair: <whoever>
> Scribe: <whoever> (use exact IRC name, or add "scribenick: irc_name")
> Regrets: <name>, <name>, ...
> Topic: <topic 1>
> ... minutes ...
> Resolution: ... resolution ...
> Topic: <topic 2>
> ...
> ACTION: <someone> to <something>
> ...
>
> Use sed edits to fix previous lines, like s/Steve/Steven/
>
> *** AT THE END OF THE CALL, rrsagent will list the actions by typing
> actions?
>
> *** Zakim will announce who was present by typing
> zakim, bye
>
> *** rrsagent dismissal
> rrsagent, make minutes
> rrsagent, bye
>
> *** If someone by chance dismisses rrsagent before the minutes
> *** are made, just invite rrsagent back
>
> ]]
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