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Re: TELECON AGENDA - 10 June 2009

From: Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:33:59 -0700
Message-Id: <5664AD3A-DDD9-4B09-9384-FC16C225AEC4@orbeon.com>
To: Forms WG <public-forms@w3.org>
Good list.

We have put a preliminary list of what Orbeon thinks should be a  
priority on our wiki:

http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/projects/xforms-future-features

-Erik

On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Kenneth Sklander wrote:

> Hi group,
>
> Per our discussion at the teleconference,  the list of 1.2 features
> that seems particular interresting for our implementation or are
> already implemented are:
>
> Already implemented a similar feature:
> # Custom XPath functions, e.g sumover(), also from host language  
> e.g. javascript
> # submissions that put and get binary resources
> # setting submission method default to "get"
> # Ability to suppress RRRR on submission completion and/or  
> initialization
> # JSON submissions
> # submission to a "new" window
> # Dialogs
> # UI event notification improvements
> # Better support for submission and model patterns for multipage web  
> apps
>
>
> New features that we particularly like:
> # Data driven switch
> # case() function
> # Better expression of default trigger
> # Simplified repeat patterns
> # Refactor dependencies to detect automatic rebuild conditions and
> reduce circular dependencies
> # Structural calculates (like declarative insert/delete)
>
> best.
> kenneth
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:23 AM, John Boyer<boyerj@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Regrets so far: Charlie, Nick
>> Start Time: 10:45am Eastern US (15:45Z, except 14:45Z during US DST)
>> Duration: 90 minutes
>>
>> Previous minutes:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0012.html
>> IRC supplement: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-forms-minutes.html
>>
>> Virtual face to face: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-forms-minutes.html
>>
>> Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
>> Steven, Erik, MarkB, Ulrich/Sebastian, Charlie, Kenneth, Nick
>>
>> Raman?, Susan?, Rafael/Rogelio?
>>
>> AGENDA ITEMS:
>> =============
>> * = be ready to discuss
>> + = discuss time permitting
>>
>> Reports, Etc.
>> -------------
>> Upcoming telecons
>>
>> * XForms 1.1
>> - Implementation report progress/completion tasks (below)
>>
>> Next FtF
>> Summer regrets: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/formsabsence2009/
>>
>> The Forms Newsletter/News items
>>
>> XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1
>>
>> Rich Web Application Backplane
>>
>>
>> Action Items
>> ------------
>> Action Item List:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0031.html
>>
>> Administrative Issues
>> ---------------------
>> Fix our shortname issue
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
>>
>> W3C Spec matrix
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0071.html
>> - Discussed on Nov. 26, 2008
>>
>>
>> PROGRESS ON WORKING GROUP GOALS
>> ===============================
>> * XForms 1.1 Issues
>> -------------------
>> - Advancement to PR
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0001.html
>>
>> - dispatch with delay question
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0006.html
>>
>> - case element documentation and schema
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0007.html
>>
>> - RNG schema
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0022.html
>>
>> - Forward links on selected submission attributes?
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0003.html
>>
>> Advancing XForms for HTML
>> -------------------------
>> - Assertions
>> - Examples
>> - Test Suite
>>
>> - Rationalization of XForms for HTML, RDFa, and ARIA
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0044.html
>>
>> * Forms Rechartering Discussion
>> -------------------------------
>> Do we recharter as the Forms working group or do we need a name  
>> change?
>> e.g. the Content Intensive Applications (CIA) working group
>>
>> Backplane concepts seem to form one pillar of support for the  
>> continued
>> group
>> It is focused on integration of components and markups "on the glass"
>>
>> A second pillar seems to be aggregate applications, i.e. applications
>> composed
>> of multiple web pages or multiple users working in collaboration to  
>> create
>> content that drives a business process or workflow
>>
>> A third pillar seems to be application of XForms to broader client  
>> contexts,
>> including XForms for documents and XForms for HTML.
>>
>> A fourth pillar seems to be extensibility for authors, e.g.  
>> components,
>> custom xpath functions, custom actions, custom model item properties,
>> custom behaviors through XBL, better DOM interface, JSON, ...
>>
>> A fifth pillar seems to be Architectural and Language Advancement,  
>> e.g.
>> - generalization of the component technologies
>>   e.g. schema engine, xpath engine, XML Events 2
>> - generalization of commonly used patterns into higher-order  
>> declarative
>> markup
>>   e.g. repeat patterns, wizard patterns, default trigger, dialog
>> - generalization of processing and event lifecycles
>>   e.g. multiple constraints per node, structural calculates, UI  
>> events
>> revisited,
>>        consolidated recalculate/revalidate, automatic rebuild  
>> detection,
>> etc.
>> - incremental refinements of existing features
>>
>> The existing working group members have varied interests that span  
>> these
>> thematic clusters.
>>
>> We need to discuss what of this could go into a new charter,
>> whether to recharter as Forms or under a new name,
>> what spec(s) will form the deliverables,
>> and how/when do we make a call for membership/interest in  
>> participating?
>>
>>
>> * XForms Future Features
>> ------------------------
>> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Future_Goals
>>
>> Recently Appearing on the List:
>>
>> - External models, partial models
>>   Via src:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0057.html
>>   Via XInclude:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0060.html
>>   Requirements-based solution:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009May/0064.html
>>   Loading subforms:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0019.html
>>
>> - Data-driven switch
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0025.html
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0024.html
>>
>> - Alternative schema engines
>>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jun/0017.html
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> [[Magic for irc channel:
>>
>> /invite zakim
>> zakim, this will be forms
>> /invite rrsagent
>> rrsagent, make log public
>>
>> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
>> Agenda: <url of this message>
>> Chair: <whoever>
>> Scribe: <whoever> (use exact IRC name, or add "scribenick: irc_name")
>> Regrets: <name>, <name>, ...
>> Topic: <topic 1>
>> ... minutes ...
>> Resolution: ... resolution ...
>> Topic: <topic 2>
>> ...
>> ACTION: <someone> to <something>
>> ...
>>
>> Use sed edits to fix previous lines, like s/Steve/Steven/
>>
>> *** AT THE END OF THE CALL, rrsagent will list the actions by typing
>> actions?
>>
>> *** Zakim will announce who was present by typing
>> zakim, bye
>>
>> *** rrsagent dismissal
>> rrsagent, make minutes
>> rrsagent, bye
>>
>> *** If someone by chance dismisses rrsagent before the minutes
>> *** are made, just invite rrsagent back
>>
>> ]]
>

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