- From: Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@valinet.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:06:42 -0400
- To: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com>
- CC: xml-uri@w3.org
Simon, I don't know if you're now satisfied that inclusions are not a problem with absolutizing namespace names, but your original message on this subject suggests that absolutization needs to plug a very leaky bucket. The problem seems to be that you never know where the next leak will be, because the whole process is fragile. The last leak may have been found, or it may not have. I think all of the problems with namespace names stems from their use of URI's (whatever those are <s>) for a purpose other than the one they were intended to serve, namely, identifying resources. The namespace spec says very clearly that namespace names are not intended to be used to retrieve schemas, and strongly implies that they aren't intended to be used for retrieving anything else either. Anyone connected with that spec who's spoken on the subject has vigorously asserted that a namespace name is just a name. There are two problems here. The first is that no matter what the spec says, some people are going to expect the namespace name to identify a useful resource of some kind. That's what's behind TimBL's initiative in starting this discussion and also behind Microsoft's use of relative URI. [Side note: I guess it's URI, not URIs, just as the plural is usually fish, not fishes.] The second is that your inclusion case and the gotchas waiting in the wings strongly indicate that a URI reference (to use the precise term) is not, reliably, a unique and persistent name if any interpretation is attached to it. The obvious interpretation is that it is the location of a resource, since that's what URI are used for almost everywhere else. If some other flavor of unique identifier were used, say a unique serial number, no one would be trying to figure out whether absolutization works reliably or not. And even if we exclude relative URI, we have the problem that the mapping from URI to resources is many-to-one; though we may be able to say definitively that two URI refer to the same thing, we can never say definitively that they refer to different things unless we compare the resources themselves. So I think that the literal interpretation of namespace names rather than absolutization has to be the way to go, for now. For the future I think there are two useful ways to go: 1. Create a new scheme explicitly for the purpose of providing unique namespace identifiers. Or maybe an existing one will work -- I don't know. But deprecate the use of URL for that purpose, be they relative or absolute. That would not break the namespace spec and would avoid the misleading connotation that URL have. 2. Define additional attributes for attaching useful resources to an element. That's what some people mistakenly thought xmlns was supposed to do. That also would not break the namespace spec. Paul Abrahams
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