- From: <Noah_Mendelsohn@lotus.com>
- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:09:25 -0400
- To: "Williams, Stuart" <skw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- Cc: xml-dist-app@w3.org
- Message-ID: <OFE7569AA2.09443275-ON85256AAB.004E54CC@lotus.com>
I like the general direction signaled by the combination of Mountain's
original summary of our small group meeting [1] and Stuart's model for the
HTTP binding [2]. I would change some of the structure and formalism a
bit (see below), but reading between the lines I think we are on the right
track. Here are a few specific suggestions (that are also a very partial
response to Henrik's note [3]. Henrik's note deserves a more careful
response, which I will try to get to before the call.)
Let me clarify how I would suggest we use certain terminology, at least
for purposes of this e-mail thread (we can fine-tune the terminology as we
write the actual specification):
Module: a specification for an optional function not included in the core SOAP
specification. Examples include security of various sorts, transactions,
but also conceivably facilities that make sense only on one or another
particular transport (e.g. there might be an extension to let you choose
GET vs. POST or REQUEST for HTTP...that wouldn't make much sense on MQ).
(Note: I am intentionally not distinguishing modules which are specified
in terms of a fixed set of "headers" vs. those that might have other
properties outside the envelope...in my view, the same tools and
abstractions (such as the ability to define properties) are available to
those who write specifications for modules as we have in defining core
SOAP features.)
Binding specifications vs. binding implementations: I believe we can all agree to distinguish the two. An HTTP binding
specifications says: "here is how we will represent a one-hop request on
the wire using HTTP". A particular binding implementation is a piece of
code which one can, in principle, test for conformance with that
specification. So, there might be an implementation for Windows and
another for UNIX. I will try to use the two terms carefully below.
Feature interface specifications: for each core feature of SOAP, and for each module, there is an
interface specification. The specification consists of the set of named
properties used to model data, and a set of rules that implement the logic
of the feature. These rules can provide for checking and update of data
found in the properties, for constructing and transmitting SOAP messages
from data found in the properties, or for updating properties based on
information received from a SOAP message.
Properties: Properties model the data used to specify a SOAP core feature or
module.
Note: I have a concern with Henrik's suggestion that "A binding [binding
specification?...NRM] may define a set of properties." [4] In my opinion,
the properties are defined by our specification (for core functions) and
by the specifications for various modules (e.g. security) and message
patterns. This is a very fundamental distinction. Particular binding
specifications undertake to meet the contract(s) implied by the core and
module specifications. In other words, they agree to support those sets
of properties along with the logic mandated for their use. Reason: the
whole point of our framework is to show how multiple binding
specifications can be developed to meet the same interface. For example,
we hope that both HTTP and MQ bindings can achieve request/response
semantics that are similar enough that the applications can view the two
transparently. It is the common set of data at the input and output
interfaces that are modeled as properties. Therefore, the set of
properties and the required logic associated with them are a contract
which each binding specification (and thus each implementation of such
specification) must implement.
Now, to be fair, it is perfectly reasonable to have individual
extensions/modules which are binding-specification specific. For example,
if we decided to let the application have direct control over the
SOAPAction http header, there would be nothing wrong with introducing a
particular binding-specific property:
httpbinding.SOAPAction="...."
I think it would be a big mistake to conclude that, in general, properties
are defined by binding specifications. I think it is a special case of
the rule that "properties are (the data part of) the interface
specification for core SOAP functions and extensions (modules? what's our
temr
Binding specifications and binding implementations: I like the start that Stewart has made [2], but I have a suggestion for
making it more rigorous. I think we need to split those aspects of the
specification that are common across binding specifications, from those
that are HTTP-specific. So, there should be a specification for
request/response in general that says something along the lines of: "There
is a property called 'mep.isRequestorResponse". If the message to be sent
is marked "Response" then the binding specification must...{rules go here
for what the binding must do in sending a response. Presumably this would
include rules along the lines of: 'attempt to deliver the response
envelope to the SOAP note that sent the original request'}"
With that as a base, the HTTP binding specification in particular can say:
when HTTP REQUEST messages are received, the connection back to the
requester must be kept open. This specification meets the need for
addressing responses by sending them over that open connection. (An MQ
implementation might do this differently, but the application would see a
common service.)
Thus, each part of the specification is layered into a contract definition
that comes from either core SOAP or the module, and a means of
implementing that contract provided in each binding specification.
I have written this in some haste in the hopes that at least one or two
readers may get to it before the call. Also, as some of you know, I do
use speech recognition software when writing long notes. That tends to
result in particularly laughable "typos" which I try to catch with careful
proofreading . When I am rushing as I am now, mistakes tend to get
through. Apologies in advance if I have missed any.
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Aug/0093.html
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Aug/0157.html
(earlier W3C member-only copy at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2001Aug/0063.html)
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Aug/0139.html
[4]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Aug/att-0139/01-binding_framework.htm
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