Re: Announce: A brief history of SOAP

I totally concur with Andrew on this. Personally, I would
prefer a standardized representation as it would enable 
a better class of tools.

Cheers,

Chris
Andrew Layman wrote:
> 
> If I send you a message such as
> 
>         <Translate>
>                 <gamma>123.45</gamma>
>                 <epsilon>.67</epsilon>
>                 <pi>3.14159</pi>
>         </Translate>
> 
> then you presumably either have somehow got some idea what this message
> means and what its structure is etc., or you don't and cannot process it
> (except as generic XML).  However you got the knowledge, that was the
> metadata.
> 
> In the case of the messages sent to the "SOAP Validator" at UserLand's
> site, the documentation describing the messages is the metadata.
> 
> I don't think you can do much without some metadata.  The only issue is
> the form that the metadata takes, largely whether it is in a standard
> form or not.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:31 PM
> To: xml-dist-app@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Announce: A brief history of SOAP
> 
> Andrew I don't know enough about the kinds of environments you use, but
> I'm
> with Fredrik on this. We do just fine without any meta data. No
> "requires"
> here. Dave
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Layman" <andrewl@microsoft.com>
> To: <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Announce: A brief history of SOAP
> 
> > I think that the point is that any exchange of messages via SOAP (or
> > otherwise) requires that the parties have mutual access to some sort
> of
> > metadata describing the types of the data being exchanged.  WSDL
> > provides such metadata in an implementation-neutral way that supports
> > and leverages the W3C specifications such as Schema.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fredrik Lundh [mailto:fredrik@pythonware.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:35 AM
> > To: Box, Don
> > Cc: xml-dist-app@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Announce: A brief history of SOAP
> >
> >
> > > You can read it at http://www.develop.com/dbox/postsoap.html
> >
> >     "Does SOAP/XML Messaging make sense without something like
> >     WSDL? No way"
> >
> > huh?  I've got lots of users for my python soap implementation,
> > and now you're saying that what they do doesn't make sense?
> >
> > what have we missed?
> >
> > Cheers /F
> >