- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:31:30 -0700
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Minutes, Web Services Description Working Group 2 September 2004 telcon Attendence: Erik Ackerman Lexmark David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems Ugo Corda SeeBeyond Glen Daniels Sonic Software Paul Downey British Telecommunications Tom Jordahl Macromedia Jacek Kopecky DERI Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon David Orchard BEA Systems Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab Arthur Ryman IBM Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Regrets: Youenn Fablet Canon Amelia Lewis TIBCO William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Asir Vedamuthu webMethods Umit Yalcinalp Oracle -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda 1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is one of: Umit Yalcinalp, Dale Moberg, Jerry Thrasher, Bijan Parsia, Roberto Chinnici, Amy Lewis, Youenn Fablet, Sanjiva Weerawarana, Arthur Ryman, Kevin Liu Scribe: Dale -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Approval of minutes: - July 29 [.1] (corrected) - Aug 2-4 FTF minutes [.2, .3, .4] and summary (corrected) [.5] [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0058.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0054.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0055.html [.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0056.html [.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0001.html Minutes accepted August f2f minutes accepted as corrected -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Review of Action items [.1]. PENDING 2004-04-01: Marsh will get schema tf going. DONE 2004-05-19: Editors to include in the primer an example that uses MTOM. (Issue 72) DONE 2004-08-02: Jonathan to followup on AB decisions with regards to test materials handling PENDING 2004-08-02: Anish to write up some examples and add them to the spec PENDING 2004-08-02: Editors to make a change to section of 2.2 of the media type doc to reflect that the meaning (not just the value space) of the expected media type is the same as the accept header. DONE [.3] 2004-08-02: Glen to inquire to XMLP about the rationale for closing 489. PENDING 2004-08-02: Marsh to update Req doc to deprecate intermediaries requirement. PENDING 2004-08-03: Glen to send a message about the mediaType annotation (attribute/appInfo) to soapbuilders. PENDING 2004-08-04: Jonathan to check the policy with AB and team and perhaps set up a ML for testing. PENDING 2004-08-04: Arthur and Jonathan to produce a mockup of Z in the spec for next FTF. Arthur: W3C namespace with dereferencable URL for Arthur Z work? ACTION: David Booth will check on w3c namespace policy for a stable URL without cvs string [pauld: a RDDL document?] Arthur: Display issues: fonts vs mathml vs images for special characters Arthur: will have demo at f2f! DONE [.2] 2004-08-04: Hugo to set up Sep f2f registration page. [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Aug/0010.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0031.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Administrivia a. - September 14-16 (Toronto) registration [.1], logistics [.2] Registration closed 8/27 - only 10 registrants!? - November 9-11 (Sunnyvale, CA) registration [.3], logistics [.4] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0409/ [.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-09-f2f.htm [.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/ [.4] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-11-f2f.htm F2F-- Arthur needs number for food, Sep 7 as final date. DBooth: Registration deadline is now Sept 7. November 9-11 (Sunnyvale) see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. New (non-LC) Issues. Issues list [.1]. - none [.1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.h tml ------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. Last Call Issues [.1]. Comments list [.2] - (Issue LC1: Property requiredness) - Issue LC2: Define Part 3 component model types using wsdls:* types (Asir, Part 3) [.3] - Issue LC3: {namespace name} property (Bijan, Part 1) [.4] - Issue LC4: Table of components/properties (Bijan, Part 1) [.5] - Issue LC5: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Editorial comments [.6] - Issue LC6: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Technical comments [.7] - Issue LC7: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, intro and conformance issues [.8] - Issue LC8: Permit URI References instead of URIs (DBooth, Part 1) [.9] - Note: webMethod LC issues to be processed [.10] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/ [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/ [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0006.html [.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0011.html [.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0013.html [.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0000 .html [.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0001 .html [.8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0002 .html [.9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0021 .html [.10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/ New issues list described. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 7. Media Type Description [.1] Last Call status - Issue 198 resolution? (MarkN) [.2, .3] - To do: - complete all edits (note that AIs above are insufficient). - notify XMLP WG - prepare for Last Call [.1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/media-types/xml-media-t ypes.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8 [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0008.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0014.html Umit nothing on agenda 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 8. Issue LC2: Define Part 3 component model types using wsdls:* types [.1] - Asir's proposal [.2] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC2 [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0006.html Asir's proposal (LC2) for using types in part 3. RESOLUTION: Resolve LC2 by accepting Asir's proposal. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 9. Issue LC3: {namespace name} property [.1] - Initial mail [.2] - Arthur's proposal [.3] - Umit's response [.4] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC3 [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0011.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0016.html [.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0021.html TOPIC: LC3 proposal remove the targetNamespace property and change the name property to be a QName instead of an NCName for components: Intertace InterfaceFault InterfaceOperation Binding Service Roberto: Says our 2 parts conforms with schemas approach. When referring, the two parts go together in the qname. Arthur: Properties are not always just simple things-- can be sets [GlenD: wouldn't it be nice if we just said interfaces were namespaces and operations/faults were ncnames, allowing each to be referenced uniquely by a single QName?] Arthur: says we do not align stylistically with schema but is perhaps closer to infoset [GlenD: I seem to recall there was a good reason for not doing that, but I don't for the life of me remember it....] Arthur: notes discrepancy was in InterfaceFault/InterfaceOperation. Roberto: says that was corrected in LC Issues: consistency with schema, roll up parts into qname... Section 2.18 uses targetNamespace. Arthur: Additional evidence for consistent convention. [Arthur: actually 2.18 uses namespaceName but that doesn't match the spec] [Marsh: Option 1: Fold {targetNamespace} into {name}, which becomes an wsdls:QName. Oprion 2: Fix 2.18 to refer to {targetNamespace} and anywhere else we find {namespace name} Results: Option 1: 6, Option 2: 4] RESOLUTION: Resolve LC3 by adopting Arthur's proposal. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 10. Issue LC4: Table of components/properties [.1] - Initial mail [.2] - Example [.3] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC4 [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0013.html [.3] http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appA LC4 -- generate from xslt?] Support voiced for adding table of components/properties Additional testimonials for automatic generation of table RESOLUTION: LC4 resolved in favor of automatic table [dbooth: Scribe: Arthur] ------------------------------------------------------------------ 11. Issue LC5: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Editorial comments [.1] - Initial mail [.2] - DBooth friendly amendment [.3] [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC5 [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0000 .html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0017 .html LC5 is split into several issues, lettered a, b, .. Issue a: Document Conformance They are asking for clarification. DavidB: Suggests a rewrite of XML 1.0 versus XML 1.1 issue. Jonathan: EII conformance is well-defined since we are defined using the Infoset. We also state that the document must validate wrt the schema. Jonathan: Propose: "Since this spec is defined in terms of the infoset, it is not a requirement to support any particular serialization of the infoset." A conformant processor could support binary XML, or XML 1.0, or XML 1.1 or any combination of these or others. [Marsh: "For instance, a conformant processor might only support XML 1.0."] Proposal is to rewrite section 8.1 as above. RESOLUTION: Rewrite section 8.1 as above. Jonathan will run the rewrite by the originator of LC5. [pauld: notes that our charter only says "The Working Group will define a description language expressed in XML." and doesn't specify 1.0 or 1.1 ..] Issue LC5b: Proposal: Remove discussion of validity from table in 1.2 and add .xsd extension to all links to schemas. RESOLUTION: Accept proposal to remove discussion of validity from table in 1.2 and add .xsd extension to all links to schemas.] Issue LC5c: Proposal: We will state in a Test Assertion document what constraints are not covered by XSD. RESOLUTION: We will provide this info in a TAD. Meeting ends.
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