- From: Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:17:01 -0500
- To: "David Orchard" <dorchard@bea.com>, "'Amelia A Lewis'" <alewis@tibco.com>
- Cc: <jmarsh@microsoft.com>, <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
We, as a working group, decided that there was no need to have the ability to specify headers abstractly. I believe you were a member of the group during that discussion and during that decision, right?? What I'm asking is a question you've asked before: What new information exists that would require us to re-consider that decision? Sanjiva. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Orchard" <dorchard@bea.com> To: "'Sanjiva Weerawarana'" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>; "'Amelia A Lewis'" <alewis@tibco.com> Cc: <jmarsh@microsoft.com>; <www-ws-desc@w3.org> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Header/Body Style Proposal > Where can I look to see the syntax for specifying headers in WSDL? Could > you provide me with a URI? I'd like to be able to compare the current > approach in WSDL that my company would have to implement compared to our > proposal. > > Cheers, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:06 PM > > To: Amelia A Lewis; David Orchard > > Cc: jmarsh@microsoft.com; www-ws-desc@w3.org > > Subject: Re: Header/Body Style Proposal > > > > > > I'm +1 to Amy's strong -1 on this - we don't need an abstract header > > mechanism and we went thru many months (nearly 2 years of it) trying > > to simply WSDL and come up to a much better point that WSDL 1.1 was. > > I am not willing to give up an approach that was worked out with > > so much work at this point. What new information exists to re-open > > the abstract header issue? > > > > Sanjiva. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amelia A Lewis" <alewis@tibco.com> > > To: "David Orchard" <dorchard@bea.com> > > Cc: <jmarsh@microsoft.com>; <www-ws-desc@w3.org> > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:16 AM > > Subject: Re: Header/Body Style Proposal > > > > > > > > > > Strongly -1 to this. > > > > > > And if it's a choice between properties/features and the header/body > > > proposal, I'm strongly -1 on that proposal as well. > > > > > > Amy! > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:57:37 -0800 > > > David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I haven't seen what a generic header-adding property/feature looks > > > > like as it hasn't been published. It seems that this decision is > > > > dependent upon the generic header-adding property/feature being > > > > acceptable to the group. The group has a choice of: a > > proposal on the > > > > table, or a proposal that has been due since November. Aren't we > > > > running out of road here? > > > > > > > > Besides, I'm a bit negative on properties/features > > anyways, given that > > > > I can't figure out how to version them, extend them, use > > them, interop > > > > test them. Seems to me like doing the published > > header/body proposal > > > > and dropping prop/feature solves a concrete (or at least we think > > > > concrete) problem and reduces complexity. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org > > > > > [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jonathan Marsh > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:20 PM > > > > > To: ygoland@bea.com; www-ws-desc@w3.org > > > > > Subject: RE: Header/Body Style Proposal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After only a brief read it appears this would > > constitute a reversal > > > > > in the direction we agreed to pursue at our November > > FTF, which is > > > > > to replace explicit structural support for headers at > > the abstract > > > > > level with a feature/property based mechanism. One of the main > > > > > motivators was > > > > > that static headers (those that can be usefully > > described in WSDL) > > > > > are both rare and not very interesting. > > > > > > > > > > From > > > > > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0062.html: > > > > > > > > > > Headers: > > > > > RESOLVED: Remove @headers attribute. > > > > > RESOLVED: Rename @body to @message. > > > > > RESOLVED: Rename @detail to @message > > > > > ACTION: Glen to write up rationale for removing > > headers (and?) > > > > > proposal > > > > > for a generic header-adding property/feature. > > > > > > > > > > ...which action is still open. I don't expect it to be > > > > > completed by the > > > > > FTF, but we can hope :-). > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org > > > > > > [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Yaron Goland > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:26 PM > > > > > > To: www-ws-desc@w3.org > > > > > > Subject: Header/Body Style Proposal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arguably the most common protocol design style for application > > > > > protocols > > > > > > is > > > > > > what this letter will refer to as the headerBody style. > > > > > Protocols such > > > > > as > > > > > > HTTP, SOAP, FTP, IMAP, ACAP, SMTP, etc. all use application > > > > > > messages > > > > > that > > > > > > contain a single body and multiple headers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the universal popularity of this design style > > this letter > > > > > proposes > > > > > > that WSDL 2.0 add direct support for this style to WSDL 2.0. > > > > > > > > > > > > The headerBody style will use the message attribute > > to identify > > > > > > the message's body. A new XML element, for use as a child of > > > > > > input/output/infault/outfault in interface > > definitions, will be > > > > > > used > > > > > to > > > > > > specify one or more headers. The XML element is defined as > > > > > > headerDef > > > > > and > > > > > > has > > > > > > four attributes: > > > > > > > > > > > > * name - A NCNAME that uniquely identifies a > > header instance > > > > > within a > > > > > > specific input/output/infault/outfault within a > > specific operation > > > > > within > > > > > > a > > > > > > specific interface. Name is optional and is only needed if a > > > > > > binding > > > > > will > > > > > > need to provide additional information about the header. > > > > > > * header - The QNAME of a XML element schema > > definition that > > > > > defines > > > > > > the > > > > > > contents of the header. > > > > > > * max - An int which specifies the maximum number of times > > > > > > that > > > > > header > > > > > > instance can be repeated. Max is optional and its default > > > > > value is 1. > > > > > > * min - An int which specifies the minimum number of times > > > > > > that > > > > > header > > > > > > instance can be repeated. Min is optional and its default > > > > > value is 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > max MUST be greater than or equal to min. > > > > > > > > > > > > The headerDef XML element can be used 0 or more times. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example: > > > > > > > > > > > > <definitions...> > > > > > > <interface...> > > > > > > <operation...> > > > > > > <input message="My:body"> > > > > > > <headerDef header="My:header"/> > > > > > > <headerDef header="My:otherHeader" > > min="3" max="7"/> > > > > > > <headerDef name="optheader" header="My:header" > > > > > > min="0"/> > > > > > > </input> > > > > > > </operation> > > > > > > </interface> > > > > > > </definitions> > > > > > > > > > > > > The headerBody style depends on the binding to define if the > > > > > > header ordering > > > > > > is meaningful. In the previous example the first and third > > > > > headers are > > > > > of > > > > > > the same type. Allowing types to repeat is useful for bindings > > > > > > where > > > > > the > > > > > > order of headers is meaningful. > > > > > > > > > > > > The headerBody style will be useful with both of the > > bindings that > > > > > WSDL > > > > > > 2.0 > > > > > > provides, SOAP and HTTP as both of these protocols > > are based on > > > > > > header/body > > > > > > style messages. If this style is adopted then we can > > remove the > > > > > element > > > > > > attribute from the wsoap:header XML element and replace it > > > > > with a name > > > > > > attribute that would point to the name of the associated > > > > > header in the > > > > > > interface definition. The mustUnderstand and role > > attribute would > > > > > remain > > > > > > the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SOAP binding for the headerBody style would > > specify that when > > > > > sending > > > > > > a > > > > > > message the header ordering SHOULD be maintained by the WSDL > > > > > processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of receiving a message the WSDL processor MUST > > > > > be able to > > > > > > accept > > > > > > SOAP headers in any arbitrary order and MUST be able to > > > > > accept headers > > > > > > that > > > > > > were not defined in the SOAP message's WSDL interface/binding > > > > > definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > SOAP headers MAY be implicitly rather than explicitly > > included in > > > > > > an operation definition as a consequence of a WSDL > > function or a > > > > > > SOAP > > > > > module. > > > > > > In other words, rather than explicitly including a reliable > > > > > messaging > > > > > or > > > > > > security header one can readily imagine such headers being > > > > > added as a > > > > > > consequence of a WSDL function/SOAP module that required > > > > > > reliability > > > > > or > > > > > > security of a certain type. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, in many cases support for a particular function or > > > > > module may > > > > > not > > > > > > be widespread amongst WSDL processors (even if the application > > > > > > layer > > > > > above > > > > > > the WSDL processor is aware of and able to handle the header > > > > > > implied > > > > > by > > > > > > the > > > > > > function/module) and so it may be necessary to include the > > > > > SOAP header > > > > > > definition explicitly, even if it is redundant to a particular > > > > > > function/module, in order to allow for the widest syntactic > > > > > compatibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is an example of a WSDL operation and SOAP > > > > > binding that > > > > > uses > > > > > > the headerBody style. > > > > > > > > > > > > <definitions xmlns:my="http://foo/bar"> > > > > > > <types> > > > > > > <xs:scheme targetName="http://foo/bar"> > > > > > > <xs:element name="headerOrBody" type="xs:string">/ > > > > > > </xs:scheme> > > > > > > </types> > > > > > > <interface name="sample" > > > > > > > > styleDefault="http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/wsdl/style/headerBody"> > > > > > > <operation name="sampleOp1" > > > > > > pattern="http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/wsdl/in-only"> > > > > > > <input message="my:headerOrBody"> > > > > > > <headerDef name="sampleOp1Header" > > > > > header="my:headerOrBody" > > > > > > min="0"/> > > > > > > </input> > > > > > > </operation> > > > > > > </interface> > > > > > > <binding name="soapSimplebind"> > > > > > > <wsoap:binding > > > > > > protocol="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/"/> > > > > > > <operation name="sampleOp1Binding"> > > > > > > <input messageReference="sampleOp1"> > > > > > > <header name="sampleOp1Header" > > mustUnderstand="True"/> > > > > > > </input> > > > > > > </operation> > > > > > > </binding> > > > > > > </definitions> > > > > > > > > > > > > To save space I used the same element for the header > > and the body. > > > > > What's > > > > > > interesting about this example is that while > > sampleOp1Header is > > > > > optional > > > > > > (min="0"), the binding specifies that mustUnderstand = "True". > > > > > > What > > > > > this > > > > > > means is that IF the header is used THEN the mustUnderstand > > > > > attribute > > > > > MUST > > > > > > be put on the header and assigned the value true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either of the following SOAP 1.2 messages would be > > legal using the > > > > > > previous > > > > > > definition and binding: > > > > > > > > > > > > <env:Envelope > > xmlns:env="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap-envelope" > > > > > > xmlns:my="http://foo/bar"> > > > > > > <env:Header> > > > > > > <my:headerOrBody > > > > > mustUnderstand="true">really?</my:headerOrBody> > > > > > > </env:Header> > > > > > > <env:Body> > > > > > > <my:headerOrBody>Uh huh</my:headerOrBody> > > > > > > </env:Body> > > > > > > </env:Envelope> > > > > > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > > > > > <env:Envelope > > xmlns:env="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap-envelope" > > > > > > xmlns:my="http://foo/bar"> > > > > > > <env:Body> > > > > > > <my:headerOrBody>Ahhh</my:headerOrBody> > > > > > > </env:Body> > > > > > > </env:Envelope> > > > > > > > > > > > > The HTTP binding would work similarly to SOAP but I'm waiting > > > > > > until > > > > > the > > > > > > HTTP > > > > > > POST/PUT proposal gets a bit firmer before I try to put in > > > > > details. I > > > > > > think > > > > > > the most interesting issue with HTTP header support is how to > > > > > translate > > > > > > the > > > > > > XML element name and body for the WSDL header into a HTTP > > > > > header. One > > > > > can > > > > > > imagine a myriad of different encoding possibilities. > > A minimal > > > > > encoding > > > > > > would require the header body to be a string. But one > > could also > > > > > imagine > > > > > > an > > > > > > encoding that either strips out elements or replaces > > elements with > > > > > > a divider > > > > > > character such as a ";". Perhaps we will need to > > support both and > > > > > specify > > > > > > which one to use on a header by header basis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yaron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Amelia A. Lewis > > > Architect, TIBCO/Extensibility, Inc. > > > alewis@tibco.com > > > >
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