- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:03:37 -0700
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Web Services Description Working Group
2002-17-10 meeting minutes
Present:
Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems
David Booth W3C
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Glen Daniels Macromedia
Youenn Fablet Canon
Dietmar Gaertner Software AG
Martin Gudgin Microsoft
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Jacek Kopecky Systinet
Philippe Le Hégaret W3C
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
Don Mullen Tibco
Arthur Ryman IBM
Adi Sakala IONA Technologies
Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft
Jerry Thrasher Lexmark
William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard
Joyce Yang Oracle
Barbara Zengler DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
Regrets:
Sandeep Kumar Cisco
Steve Lind AT&T
Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates
William Stumbo Xerox
Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM
Don Wright Lexmark
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
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Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Oct/0082.html
1. Assign scribe.
2. Approval of minutes of Oct 10 telcon
3. Review of Action items.
4. FTF Planning
5. Requirements
6. New Issues
7. Importing Schema into WSDL
8. Identification of a Service
9. Rationale for dropping the <soap:body use=...> attribute
10. BindingType proposal from Kevin
11. A slice at a proposal for SOAP features/properties in WSDL
12. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2
13. Issue 28: transport='uri'
14. HTTP Binding Issues
15. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model
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1. Assign scribe
Dale Moberg
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2. Approval of minutes of Oct 10 telcon
Approved.
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3. Review of Action items.
SKIP 2002-09-09: Sanjiva to redo part 3.2 of his binding proposal.
SKIP 2002-09-10: Sanjiva to produce a proposal for equivalence of
(at least) top-level components in the next couple
of weeks.
PENDING 2002-09-10: Gudge; jeffsch; roberto et al to write proposal
[to remove message and replace with complexType.]
PENDING 2002-09-10: Gudge to provide summary of using xml
schema to wrap other type systems at an
appropriate level of abstraction.
[Due by FTF]
PENDING 2002-09-11: Jeffrey and Don define TCP binding.
PENDING 2002-09-19: Joyce, Sandeep, Igor, Steve T, Sanjiva, Adi,
Roberto, Amy to form a task force to prepare
presenation about adding pub/sub in a first
class manner to WSDL 1.2.
SKIP 2002-09-19: Sanjiva to write a Java binding.
DONE 2002-10-03: Jeffrey to respond to comments on the
Requirements document.
PENDING 2002-10-10: Gudge to roll port type inheritance into the
main branch, adding an issue that we need to
resolve the name issue and also the issue for
promoting operations to the top level.
PENDING 2002-10-10: Gudge to prepare proposal for
promoting (moving to top level definition)
of operations.
[To be done by end of week.]
PENDING 2002-10-10: Roberto to see how this might affect the
Feature proposal. Glen to review this.
DONE 2002-10-03: Arthur to propose a way to assign a URI reference
[omitted from agenda, posted:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Oct/0084.html
To be placed on agenda for next week.]
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4. FTF planning
Cyclone Commerce in Scottsdale Arizona Jan 20 to 22, tentatively.
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5. Requirements
Glen to clarify requirement 116. Ok to remove abstract vs concrete distinction within requirement 116? Implicit yes.
Requirement R046 Jeffrey Schlimmer rewording:
"The description language MUST describe Messages independent from transfer
encodings." or
"The description language MUST describe Messages in terms of the XML
Infoset."
Glen D. like infoset option. Arthur asked about whether infoset might conflict with provision for alternative type systems. Jonathan Marsh indicated preference for independence of transfer encoding. Discussion seemed to converge on independence of transfer encoding.
ACTION: JeffSch to finish requirements document
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6. New Issues
ACTION: Jonathan to investigate the first item listed as "new issue" since the link in the agenda seems to be wrong.
Gudge committed to changed "bases" on "portType" to "extends". Amended property name accordingly: wsdl12.xml
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7. Importing Schema into WSDL
Defer discussion of include until Sanjiva available.
Jonathan asks Gudge whether xsd:import a problem
Gudge states that we should allow xsd:import as immediate child of wsdl:type. Cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Oct/0067.html
Don wants best practice on import as an agenda item.
Roberto proposes that xsd:import be treated as extensibility element.
Jonathan states 3 ways to proceed:
1. built-in,
2. extensibility,
3. hybrid
Mixture of mainly 1 or 2 supported. Arthur like built-in. A. Lewis agrees with Gudge on 1.
Gudge xsd:import under wsdl:type, but treat as extensible. GD questions whether an extensibility item can also be required to implement. Oddity noted, but Roberto says could be done.
Jacek wants us to clean up the wording from "one of element or type attributes", to allow neither to appear (using a qualified attribute to interface with an alternate schema language.)
Jonathan looks for text summarizing this: Describe xsd:import addition, with A Lewis to write text, perhaps with Gudge assist on adding reference in the wsdl:import section to the xsd:import stuff.
ACTION: Amy to get feedback regarding feature proposal to WG ASAP
ACTION: Gudge and A. Lewis to make a proposal for describing xs:import and apparently) xs:schema as "required" extensibility elements.
Jonathan has new slice&dice:
1. Accept xsd:import inside types (Done)
2. Accept as Built-in (Done)
3. Remove in-line completely (Don Mullen champions, we will take up removing in-line schemas completely next time.)
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8. Identification of a Service
Service identification: defer to when Igor present? Arthur asks to combine with the more general URI ref proposal when discussed.
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9. Rationale for dropping the <soap:body use=...> attribute
10. BindingType proposal from Kevin
11. A slice at a proposal for SOAP features/properties in WSDL
12. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2
13. Issue 28: transport='uri'
14. HTTP Binding Issues
15. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model
Did not get to these items.
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Scribe: Dale Moberg (minor additions and corrections by Jonathan Marsh)
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