- From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) <RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:38:06 -0500
- To: "Hugo Haas" <hugo@w3.org>, "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>
- cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
It seems to me that a lot of the *'s are dubious. According to Mike and to the very useful Quick Reference he referred to (http://www.holub.com/goodies/uml/index.html), * means "0 or more". In many or most cases I think you may really mean "1 or more", which is "1..*". For example, does a message without a receiver make sense? It appears to me that Martin may have actually exchanged the meaning of * and 1..*, since he uses "0,..*", which according to the reference is the same as "*" and I see no instances of "1..*" Here is the list of cardinality nomenclature from that source. Martin, if this is not correct, perhaps you could provide a different source? Otherwise, I suggest that we use this convention. If it is too painful to type all the 1..*'s, I suggest that we adopt the regular expression convention of "+". That is, add "+ (1 or more)" to the following list. 1 (usually ommitted if 1:1) n (Unknown at compile time but bound) [Is this meaningful for us?] 0..1 (0..2 1..n) 1..* (1 or more) * (0 or more) -----Original Message----- From: Hugo Haas [mailto:hugo@w3.org] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:19 AM To: Martin Chapman Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org Subject: Re: SOAP UML diagram Hi Martin. * Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> [2003-06-06 12:22-0700] > updated diagram at: > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Jun/0011.html It looks good to me. A couple of comments below. - I don't see features linked to properties, or at least not directly. [1] says that "[a] feature may be expressed through multiple properties" and that "[p]roperties are named with URIs" and "property values SHOULD have an XML Schema [XML Schema Part 1] [XML Schema Part 2] type listed in the specification which introduces the property". I don't think that those are shown in the diagram. - My second comment is about ultimate receivers. I think that we need to make the distinction between roles and nodes. A SOAP message has one sender, any number of intermediaries, and one ultimate receiver _identified_. They are naturally identified with URIs, and the ultimate receiver is: http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap-envelope/role/ultimateReceiver [2] reads: "a SOAP node is said to act in one or more SOAP roles, each of which is identified by a URI known as the SOAP role name." Now, the message could be multicasted to 5 different SOAP node, which could each act in the role of the ultimate receiver. You are saying that the path can have several ultimate receivers (as a result of your discussion with Jean-Jacques, I think), however the definition of path is: | SOAP message path | | The set of SOAP nodes through which a single SOAP message passes. | This includes the initial SOAP sender, zero or more SOAP | intermediaries, and an ultimate SOAP receiver. Basically, I think that just changing "*" next to "ultimate" by "1" would do the trick, since I don't think that the diagram prevents the message from being sent to several nodes, although it may not be explicit. Also, "initial", "intermediary" and "ultimate" should probably be qualified as roles. - Interesting question here to try and tie this to our other diagram: what is the relationship between a SOAP node and an agent? I think that a SOAP node is an agent implementing the SOAP 1.2 specification. Regards, Hugo 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/PR-soap12-part2-20030507/#soapfeatspec 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/PR-soap12-part1-20030507/#soaproles -- Hugo Haas - W3C mailto:hugo@w3.org - http://www.w3.org/People/Hugo/
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