- From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:51:46 -0500
- To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
... are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/14-minutes
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Regards,
Hugo
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Web Services Architecture Working Group
14-Mar-2002 meeting minutes
[1]Working Group home page · [2]Meeting records
Attendance
Apple
[3]Mike Brumbelow
AT&T
[4]Ayse Dilber
AT&T
[5]Mark Jones
ChevronTexaco
[6]Roger Cutler
Cisco Systems Inc
[7]Sandeep Kumar
Compaq
[8]Yin-Leng Husband
Compaq
[9]Kevin Perkins
CrossWeave, Inc.
[10]Timothy Jones
DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
[11]Mario Jeckle
Digital Island
[12]Joseph Hui
DISA
[13]Marcel Jemio
EDS
[14]Waqar Sadiq
France Telecom
[15]Shishir Garg
Hewlett-Packard Company
[16]Zulah Eckert
IBM
[17]Heather Kreger
Intel Corporation
[18]Sharad Garg
Intel Corporation
[19]Joel Munter
IONA
[20]Steve Vinoski
Macromedia
[21]Glen Daniels
Macromedia
[22]Tom Jordahl
Microsoft Corporation
[23]Allen Brown
Microsoft Corporation
[24]Henrik Nielsen
MITRE Corporation
[25]James Davenport
Nokia
[26]Michael Mahan
Nortel Networks
[27]Abbie Barbir
Oracle Corporation
[28]Jeff Mischkinsky
Planetfred, Inc.
[29]Mark Baker
SeeBeyond Technology Corp
[30]Alan Davies
Software AG
[31]Michael Champion
Sterling Commerce(SBC)
[32]Suresh Damodaran
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
[33]Doug Bunting
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
[34]Chris Ferris
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
[35]Mark Hapner
Sybase, Inc.
[36]Himagiri Mukkamala
Systinet
[37]Anne Thomas Manes
The Boeing Company
[38]Gerald Edgar
The Thomson Corporation
[39]Hao He
W. W. Grainger, Inc.
[40]Tom Carroll
W3C
[41]Hugo Haas
webMethods, Inc.
[42]Prasad Yendluri
Regrets
BEA Systems
[43]David Orchard
Cisco Systems Inc
[44]Krishna Sankar
Documentum
[45]Don Robertson
Ericsson
[46]Nilo Mitra
Hewlett-Packard Company
[47]Dorothea Beringer
Intalio Inc
[48]Bob Lojek
IONA
[49]Eric Newcomer
SAP
[50]Sinisa Zimek
W. W. Grainger, Inc.
[51]Daniel Austin
Absent
Artesia Technologies
[52]Dipto Chakravarty
Carnegie Mellon University
[53]Katia Sycara
Computer Associates
[54]Igor Sedukhin
Contivo
[55]Dave Hollander
DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
[56]Hans-Peter Steiert
EDS
[57]Mike Ballantyne
IBM
[58]Jim Knutson
Ipedo
[59]Alex Cheng
Ipedo
[60]Srinivas Pandrangi
MITRE Corporation
[61]Paul Denning
Software AG
[62]Nigel Hutchison
T-Nova Deutsche Telekom Innovationsgesellschaft
[63]Jens Meinkoehn
VeriSign, Inc.
[64]Michael Mealling
Waveset Technologies
[65]Darran Rolls
XQRL Inc.
[66]Tom Bradford
XQRL Inc.
[67]Daniela Florescu
Agenda
See [68]agenda posted by the Chair.
Detailed minutes
1. Roll call, scribes for minutes/action items
2. Agenda review, and AOB
3. Approval of February 7 March telcon minutes
4. Review of outstanding action items
* 20020307 ACTION: DanielA: post issues list into CVS repository and
post pointer to it; PENDING
* 20020307 ACTION: Editors: include definition of web service and
make it clear that it is an interim working definition and may
change over time; PENDING
* 20020307 ACTION: Editors: include glossary definitions; PENDING
* 20020307 ACTION: DanielA: Post HTML of current requirements doc by
EOB today; DONE
* 20020307 ACTION: ChrisF: Annotate requirements document with names
for each goal (see earlier action items); DONE
5. Status
- F2F planning update remote telcon facilities will be
provided, need to register regrets, 20 rooms at Sheraton in Milpitas
(1 mile from cisco) reserved by Cisco - call Sheraton after 7pm and
mention cisco rate $135 until 3/29 - sandeep will post details -
shuttles to cisco available - joint dinner/lunch with wsd in planning
- agenda out before next week's call
- WS-CG report meeting this week - xml cg laision, daml laision
[69]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Mar/0014.html -
possible next f2f in paris (wsd being hosted by canon), visa, nortel
offers to host
- Editing team report
Provide pre-f2f draft of req doc - snapshot before next week's call
(i.e., 2 updates before f2f)
6. Report from OMG Web Services Workshop
tutorials, pres of technologies, biz coordination, security, lots of
diff things, ontologies
omg focus on uml mappings to w/s
talked to global grid forum - try to get invited expert
talked to oasis, daml-s
Hugo will provide the WG with a report on the OMG ... conference
he attended last week.
7. Liaison with DAML Services initiative
As per our charter[4] have invited an expert from the DAML Services
initiative[5] to join our WG. She will serve as liaison with that
activity.
Katia?
8. Review summary goals and objectives
Some great email discussion has followed last week's con-call.
Many thanks to the goal champion's for focusing the discussion.
We'll spend a couple minutes on each with the respective champion
presenting a summary of their summary email. We can hopefully
come to consensus on the intent of each at least. Summary emails
are cited for each. I'll determine the order that they'll
be addressed so as to focus on getting as many completed as
possible.
DAG0001a Daniel Austin [6]
DAG0002 Daniel Austin [7]
DAG0003 Nilo Mitra [8] (regrets)
DAG0004 Abbie Barbir [9]
Raised questions on web components - are they well defined?
Relationship w/ #11
Don't know how to measure - need def. For web components
Abbie will send alt. wording
DAG0005 Mike Champion [10]
Simplicity - not much disc
Comment: point of simplicity is interoperability, use io as measure of
simp - but how to do that?
Sent out alt wording
Henrik - simplicy reqs impossible to evaluate (xmlp), suggest think
about kind of things to bring simp into design: modularity,
composition
Roger - keep small description, break out with numbered subparts
rather than roll up into larger description
Chris - need to clarify which goals apply to which actors
Suresh - use simpliest language, no circular references
mike - minimalism (smallest possible number of components) - burden of
proof on those wanting more
tomc - original goal at proper level of abstraction, numbered items
are 1^st level csf
chris - make sure arch is simple, not w/s Suresh - uncomfortable
leaving goal as-is - merging arch and subject
Chris will propose alt.
DAG0006 Joe Hui [11]
Comment - Goal is too broad
Replacement suggested, doesn't really narrow goal
Original wording stands
Suresh - "addresses" ambiguous, suggest "supports"; propose
"heterogeneous" environments rather than "distributed"; can't secure
everything in w/s environment
No one opposed to current language
"Addresses" is superset of "supports"
no one feels necessary overlap w/ #11
goal stands
DAG0007 Suresh Damodaran [12]
Statement refs. To arch, not w/s
Split into three parts: reliable, stable, predictable
not much feedback
roger - don't understand goal, need to see CSFs
csfs are at
[70]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0148.html
sandeep - behavior should persist over time?
Need to noodle more
DAG0008 Tim Jones [13]
DAG0009 Mark Baker [14]
DAG0010 Dave Orchard [15] (regrets)
DAG0011 Mike Mahan [16]
DAG0013 Hugo Haas [17]
DAG0014 Doug Bunting [18]
DAG0015 Dave Orchard [19] (regrets)
DAG0016 Yin-Ling Husband [20]
DAG0001 and DAG0012 don't seem to have been kicked off so will
be deferred.
Chris - Missing goals - champions solicited
Roger to propose goal 17 for transactions/reliable msging
Hao - Management/monitoring (18)
Joe - someone should champion privacy
9. Wrap-up
Resources:
[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/admin#communication
[2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/07-minutes
[3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/07-minutes#new-ai
[4] http://www.w3.org/2002/01/ws-arch-charter
[5] http://www.daml.org/services/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0170.html
[7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0169.html
[8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0133.html
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0197.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0236.html
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0233.html
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0237.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0185.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0242.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0179.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0246.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0208.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0227.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0172.html
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0235.html
Summary of new action items
* 20020314 ACTION Hugo: Publish minutes of last week's
teleconference.
* 20020314 ACTION Chris to propose alternate wording for D-AG0005
* 20020314 ACTION Editors: Rename D-AG0006 into AG-0006
* 20020314 ACTION Roger: Kick off goal D-AG0017
* 20020314 ACTION Hao: Kick off D-AG0018
* 20020314 ACTION Joe: Start discussion about privacy goal.
See also the list of [71]pending action items.
_________________________________________________________________
Chair: Chris Ferris <chris.ferris@sun.com>
Scribe: Timothy N. Jones <tim@crossweave.com>
References
1. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/
2. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/#records
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69. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Mar/0014.html
70. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0148.html
71. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/14-minutes#curr-ai
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