- From: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:51:46 -0500
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... are available at: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/14-minutes Text dumps follows. Regards, Hugo ========== Web Services Architecture Working Group 14-Mar-2002 meeting minutes [1]Working Group home page · [2]Meeting records Attendance Apple [3]Mike Brumbelow AT&T [4]Ayse Dilber AT&T [5]Mark Jones ChevronTexaco [6]Roger Cutler Cisco Systems Inc [7]Sandeep Kumar Compaq [8]Yin-Leng Husband Compaq [9]Kevin Perkins CrossWeave, Inc. [10]Timothy Jones DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology [11]Mario Jeckle Digital Island [12]Joseph Hui DISA [13]Marcel Jemio EDS [14]Waqar Sadiq France Telecom [15]Shishir Garg Hewlett-Packard Company [16]Zulah Eckert IBM [17]Heather Kreger Intel Corporation [18]Sharad Garg Intel Corporation [19]Joel Munter IONA [20]Steve Vinoski Macromedia [21]Glen Daniels Macromedia [22]Tom Jordahl Microsoft Corporation [23]Allen Brown Microsoft Corporation [24]Henrik Nielsen MITRE Corporation [25]James Davenport Nokia [26]Michael Mahan Nortel Networks [27]Abbie Barbir Oracle Corporation [28]Jeff Mischkinsky Planetfred, Inc. [29]Mark Baker SeeBeyond Technology Corp [30]Alan Davies Software AG [31]Michael Champion Sterling Commerce(SBC) [32]Suresh Damodaran Sun Microsystems, Inc. [33]Doug Bunting Sun Microsystems, Inc. [34]Chris Ferris Sun Microsystems, Inc. [35]Mark Hapner Sybase, Inc. [36]Himagiri Mukkamala Systinet [37]Anne Thomas Manes The Boeing Company [38]Gerald Edgar The Thomson Corporation [39]Hao He W. W. Grainger, Inc. [40]Tom Carroll W3C [41]Hugo Haas webMethods, Inc. [42]Prasad Yendluri Regrets BEA Systems [43]David Orchard Cisco Systems Inc [44]Krishna Sankar Documentum [45]Don Robertson Ericsson [46]Nilo Mitra Hewlett-Packard Company [47]Dorothea Beringer Intalio Inc [48]Bob Lojek IONA [49]Eric Newcomer SAP [50]Sinisa Zimek W. W. Grainger, Inc. [51]Daniel Austin Absent Artesia Technologies [52]Dipto Chakravarty Carnegie Mellon University [53]Katia Sycara Computer Associates [54]Igor Sedukhin Contivo [55]Dave Hollander DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology [56]Hans-Peter Steiert EDS [57]Mike Ballantyne IBM [58]Jim Knutson Ipedo [59]Alex Cheng Ipedo [60]Srinivas Pandrangi MITRE Corporation [61]Paul Denning Software AG [62]Nigel Hutchison T-Nova Deutsche Telekom Innovationsgesellschaft [63]Jens Meinkoehn VeriSign, Inc. [64]Michael Mealling Waveset Technologies [65]Darran Rolls XQRL Inc. [66]Tom Bradford XQRL Inc. [67]Daniela Florescu Agenda See [68]agenda posted by the Chair. Detailed minutes 1. Roll call, scribes for minutes/action items 2. Agenda review, and AOB 3. Approval of February 7 March telcon minutes 4. Review of outstanding action items * 20020307 ACTION: DanielA: post issues list into CVS repository and post pointer to it; PENDING * 20020307 ACTION: Editors: include definition of web service and make it clear that it is an interim working definition and may change over time; PENDING * 20020307 ACTION: Editors: include glossary definitions; PENDING * 20020307 ACTION: DanielA: Post HTML of current requirements doc by EOB today; DONE * 20020307 ACTION: ChrisF: Annotate requirements document with names for each goal (see earlier action items); DONE 5. Status - F2F planning update remote telcon facilities will be provided, need to register regrets, 20 rooms at Sheraton in Milpitas (1 mile from cisco) reserved by Cisco - call Sheraton after 7pm and mention cisco rate $135 until 3/29 - sandeep will post details - shuttles to cisco available - joint dinner/lunch with wsd in planning - agenda out before next week's call - WS-CG report meeting this week - xml cg laision, daml laision [69]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Mar/0014.html - possible next f2f in paris (wsd being hosted by canon), visa, nortel offers to host - Editing team report Provide pre-f2f draft of req doc - snapshot before next week's call (i.e., 2 updates before f2f) 6. Report from OMG Web Services Workshop tutorials, pres of technologies, biz coordination, security, lots of diff things, ontologies omg focus on uml mappings to w/s talked to global grid forum - try to get invited expert talked to oasis, daml-s Hugo will provide the WG with a report on the OMG ... conference he attended last week. 7. Liaison with DAML Services initiative As per our charter[4] have invited an expert from the DAML Services initiative[5] to join our WG. She will serve as liaison with that activity. Katia? 8. Review summary goals and objectives Some great email discussion has followed last week's con-call. Many thanks to the goal champion's for focusing the discussion. We'll spend a couple minutes on each with the respective champion presenting a summary of their summary email. We can hopefully come to consensus on the intent of each at least. Summary emails are cited for each. I'll determine the order that they'll be addressed so as to focus on getting as many completed as possible. DAG0001a Daniel Austin [6] DAG0002 Daniel Austin [7] DAG0003 Nilo Mitra [8] (regrets) DAG0004 Abbie Barbir [9] Raised questions on web components - are they well defined? Relationship w/ #11 Don't know how to measure - need def. For web components Abbie will send alt. wording DAG0005 Mike Champion [10] Simplicity - not much disc Comment: point of simplicity is interoperability, use io as measure of simp - but how to do that? Sent out alt wording Henrik - simplicy reqs impossible to evaluate (xmlp), suggest think about kind of things to bring simp into design: modularity, composition Roger - keep small description, break out with numbered subparts rather than roll up into larger description Chris - need to clarify which goals apply to which actors Suresh - use simpliest language, no circular references mike - minimalism (smallest possible number of components) - burden of proof on those wanting more tomc - original goal at proper level of abstraction, numbered items are 1^st level csf chris - make sure arch is simple, not w/s Suresh - uncomfortable leaving goal as-is - merging arch and subject Chris will propose alt. DAG0006 Joe Hui [11] Comment - Goal is too broad Replacement suggested, doesn't really narrow goal Original wording stands Suresh - "addresses" ambiguous, suggest "supports"; propose "heterogeneous" environments rather than "distributed"; can't secure everything in w/s environment No one opposed to current language "Addresses" is superset of "supports" no one feels necessary overlap w/ #11 goal stands DAG0007 Suresh Damodaran [12] Statement refs. To arch, not w/s Split into three parts: reliable, stable, predictable not much feedback roger - don't understand goal, need to see CSFs csfs are at [70]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0148.html sandeep - behavior should persist over time? Need to noodle more DAG0008 Tim Jones [13] DAG0009 Mark Baker [14] DAG0010 Dave Orchard [15] (regrets) DAG0011 Mike Mahan [16] DAG0013 Hugo Haas [17] DAG0014 Doug Bunting [18] DAG0015 Dave Orchard [19] (regrets) DAG0016 Yin-Ling Husband [20] DAG0001 and DAG0012 don't seem to have been kicked off so will be deferred. Chris - Missing goals - champions solicited Roger to propose goal 17 for transactions/reliable msging Hao - Management/monitoring (18) Joe - someone should champion privacy 9. Wrap-up Resources: [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/admin#communication [2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/07-minutes [3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/07-minutes#new-ai [4] http://www.w3.org/2002/01/ws-arch-charter [5] http://www.daml.org/services/ [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0170.html [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0169.html [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0133.html [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0197.html [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0236.html [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0233.html [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0237.html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0185.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0242.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0179.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0246.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0208.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0227.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0172.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0235.html Summary of new action items * 20020314 ACTION Hugo: Publish minutes of last week's teleconference. * 20020314 ACTION Chris to propose alternate wording for D-AG0005 * 20020314 ACTION Editors: Rename D-AG0006 into AG-0006 * 20020314 ACTION Roger: Kick off goal D-AG0017 * 20020314 ACTION Hao: Kick off D-AG0018 * 20020314 ACTION Joe: Start discussion about privacy goal. See also the list of [71]pending action items. _________________________________________________________________ Chair: Chris Ferris <chris.ferris@sun.com> Scribe: Timothy N. 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