- From: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:02:07 -0400
- To: Miles Sabin <miles@milessabin.com>
- Cc: w3arch <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Hi Miles,
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:06:04AM +0100, Miles Sabin wrote:
> Mark Baker wrote,
> > The Web is really late bound, because you don't know what you're
> > dealing with until after you've invoked GET (most commonly - there
> > are other ways). For example, if I gave you any URI, you wouldn't
> > know what it identified until you entered it into your browser.
>
> Hmm ... interesting, that's not quite the way I'd have characterized the
> late/early distinction.
>
> Your contrast seems to be analogous to the difference between,
>
> class HTTPServer
> {
> public Object GET(); // Late
> }
>
> and,
>
> class HTTPServer
> {
> public SomeSpecificType GET(); // Early
> }
That wasn't my intent. More below ...
> whereas the traditional OO constrast is between,
>
> class HTTPServer
> {
> public Irrelevant GET(); // Late
> }
>
> and,
>
> class HTTPServer
> {
> public final Irrelevant GET(); // Early
> }
IMO, the traditional component-versus-object contrast is;
class WWW-Service
{
public Something GET();
...
}
versus
class My-Stock-Quote-Web-Service
{
public Something GetStockQuote();
...
}
The "type" here is at the class/interface level, not the method/response
level. So in the former case, a client discovers that the thing is a
stock quote *after* invoking GET, whereas in the latter case, the client
needs to know that it's a stock quote *before* invoking GetStockQuote().
> I wonder if this different understanding of early/late has any bearing
> on your insistence that HTTP satisfies the "no a priori knowledge"
> constraint. I've always found that baffling, because there clearly is a
> priori knowledge if we understand early/late in the traditional way: we
> know up front that the result of a GET will be an entity (even if we
> don't know the details of how it's produced).
What I meant by the "no a priori knowledge" constraint is that HTTP
doesn't require me to know that something is a stock quote in order to
retrieve it (or change it, or hand it some data, etc..).
Does that help explain my previous ramblings? 8-)
MB
--
Mark Baker, CTO, Idokorro Mobile (formerly Planetfred)
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. distobj@acm.org
http://www.markbaker.ca http://www.idokorro.com
Received on Wednesday, 26 June 2002 07:51:38 UTC