- From: Jos De_Roo <jos.deroo@agfa.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:48:21 +0200
- To: "pat hayes <phayes" <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
- Cc: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>, "Jonathan Borden" <jonathan@openhealth.org>, "webont" <www-webont-wg@w3.org>, www-webont-wg-request@w3.org
I agree as well.
Pat, what kind of notation are you using?
[minCardinalityFrom P 1]
[maxCardinalityFrom [Complement P] 0]
[Hand partOf CardinalityFrom Fingers 5]
I think that the last one is in N3 like
:Hand a owl:Restriction;
owl:onProperty :partOf;
daml:cardinalityQ 5.
daml:hasClassQ :Fingers.
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pat hayes
<phayes@ai.uwf.edu To: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
> cc: "Jonathan Borden" <jonathan@openhealth.org>, "webont"
Sent by: <www-webont-wg@w3.org>
www-webont-wg-requ Subject: Re: Case for Reinstatement of Qualified Cardinality
est@w3.org Restrictions
2003-04-17 07:21
PM
>At 6:20 PM -0400 4/16/03, Jonathan Borden wrote:
>>As I recall the discussion at the Amsterdam F2F -- I had wondered if such
>>features would be needed by biomedical ontologies and thought that I was
>>told that this wasn't the case.
>>
>>The use cases he cites are compelling (at least to me), and if indeed
>>qualified cardinalities *are* needed to support these then I strongly
>>support reopening the issue.
I agree. Seems to me that its up to those who think not, to respond
to Alan's examples with counter-arguments, eg showing that the
workarounds that he dislikes aren't so bad after all, or that there
are better ones.
>>Jonathan
>>
>
>
>I am worried that the feature most complained about in Daml+oil and
>also the ones most misused were these.
On the other hand, maybe that was partly due to the truly awful
terminology used, and the fact that the DAML tutorials placed very
little emphasis on them. And that this whole ontology thing was new
to many DAML users, whereas Alan is speaking from a much more
sophisticated community.
>Let me make a suggestion -- if we were to decide to include these,
>we would need to write the one-paragraph, easy to understand
>explanation that would go in the Overview -- anyone want to take a
>stab at a suggested one?
Well, the guide only talks about OWLLite, which has limited
cardinality in any case so wouldnt work for Alan's examples, but here
goes as a sketch:
-------
3.4a OWL Restrictions
allValuesFrom....
someValuesFrom....
minCardinalityFrom: This refer to a class and a number. It
generalizes someValuesFrom by requiring at least that number of
values for the property to be of the type described by the class.
Note that this says nothing about values of the property in other
classes. [someValuesFrom P] is equivalent to [minCardinalityFrom P 1]
maxCardinalityFrom: this restriction requires that the number of
values for the property which are of the type described by the class
be no more than the number given. Note that this says nothing about
values of the property in other classes. [allValuesFrom P] is
equivalent to [maxCardinalityFrom [Complement P] 0]
CardinalityFrom: This restriction is provided as a convenience when
it is useful to state that there is an exact number of values of a
property in a particular class, eg [Hand partOf CardinalityFrom
Fingers 5] says that the number of partsOf a Hand that are classified
as Fingers must be 5. Note that this says nothing about values of
the property in other classes; for example, a hand may also have
parts which are the palm and the back, in addition to the 5 fingers.
minCardinality: this restriction simplifies minCardinalityFrom by
ignoring the class; it simply sets a lower bound on the total number
of values of the property, in effect treating the restricting class
to be the universe. In OWL-DL, [minCardinality n] is equivalent to
[minCardinalityFrom owl:Thing n] for individual properties and to
[minCardinalityFrom rdfs:Literal n] for datatype properties; in
OWL-Full, it is equivalent to [minCardinalityFrom rdfs:Resource n].
similarly for maxCardinality, Cardinality.
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> -JH
>p.s. Any change that would require us to change every document and
>that is exposed by test cases makes me nervous at this late date --
>I'd want to see pretty strong support for the change...
>
Seems to me that Alan makes a devastating case in favor, and that
although it is so late and all, that we will look kind of silly if we
don't take it seriously. I wish I had thought of the atria/ventricles
example. Particularly as he practically tells us what to do.
So, I vote to reinstate.
Pat
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> The following long message (from [1]) comes from Alan Rector to our
>>> comments list, addressing the issue of the qualified constraints -
>>> basically, he's asking us to reopen issue 3.2 Qualified Cardinality
>>> constraints. Guus and I would like to hear the WG's feelings on
>>> this. Since there's no specific document addressed (although it
>>> would require changes in every document), Guus and I will handle this
>>> email and its response.
>>> -JH
>>> [1]
>>>
>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webont-comments/2003Apr/0040.html
>>>
>
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