- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:50:08 -0500
- To: www-webont-wg@w3.org
- Cc: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <p05100302b87f40250249@[128.8.130.81]>
In attendance: Buswell, Dean, Decker, Fensel, Finin, Heflin, Hendler, Klein, McGuinness, Miller, Motta, Obrst, Patel-Schneider, Schreiber, M. Smith, Stein, ter Horst, Trastour ++ Hayes, Volz, Carroll, van Harmelen, Horrocks Regrets: Connolly (power outage) ACTIONS: ACTION: Finin to complete use case on ubiq. comp (Due ASAP) ACTION: Buswell to complete design Use case (Due ASAP) ACTION - Obrst to help find ontology partitioning - review and refine req (Due ASAP) ACTION - Pat Hayes to send Jeff a couple of sentences on referring to vs. commiting to ontologies (Due ASAP) ACTION: Tim Finin to send Jeff a paointer to the FIPA langauge req. document (due ASAP) ACTION: Use Case group will have one more week to get a draft to group as a strawman. ACTION - have unwritten parts in the D+O vs OWL document done as soon as possible (Mike, Dan, Ian) -- follow on ACTION - Mike D. to document what OWL reqs not covered by D+O, and what D+O features currently not used in addressing our reqs - Due: Feb 7 ACTION Jim/Guus will send to mailing list a proposed list of documents/outputs expected of the working group (tied to calendar if possible) and ask people to express interests in particular w/respect to those issues - Due: Feb 14 Resolutions: RESOLVED: Jim and Guus to propose the methods (by which documents get created and worked on) [Note: group did not express strong opinions w/respect to how to designate/coordinate/etc.] Log: JimH: Announcements JimH: --------------- JimH: f2f April 8-9 Amsterdam *rreck* prepare for a huge gif <- sorry JimH: Solicit feedback on date for 3rd F2F - volunteer of place still needed las: I will likely be unable to attend either of the F2Fs as proposed. JimH: Europe/East Coast suggested - volunteers sought JimH: ---------------- JimH: Guus Schreiber joins as WG co-chair (Jim an Guus both cochairs) las: If Boston is a desirable location, I could probably host an F2F in July (even 1-2 July if that's the time -- my restriction is travelling, not the dates) JimH: --------------------- JimH: 2) ============== JimH: Use Case / reqs document -- not completed JimH: Interim document available. JimH: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/owl/ JimH: 4 of 6 use cases entered, 2 are remaining to be provided JimH: missing: ubiq: Finin, Design: Buswell(?) JimH: ACTION: Finin to complete use case on ubiq. comp JimH: ACTION: Buswell to complete design Use case JimH: Gools section JimH: s/gools/goals *** pfps (~pfps@135.104.37.83) has joined channel #webont. JimH: review of reqs - still missing JimH: unicode strings (Jeremy Carroll) JimH: ontology partitioning - needs review JimH: ACTION - Leo Obrst to help find ontology partitioning - review and refine req JimH: question: how do the reqs with respect to partitioning and tagging fit together. JimH: Mike - ability to nominally associate properties w/statements as well as with instances JimH: Mike; would be good JimH: Pat - difference between referring vs. commiting to it. JimH: ACTION - Pat Hayes to send Jeff a couple of sentences on referring to vs. commiting to ontologies JimH: Question: by layered approach, what do we mean? JimH: Leo: OWL lite for devices is one meaning JimH: Dieter: Graphical editor might want a defined sublayer w/respect to OWL JimH: Dieter: example, for decidability might want a layer JimH: transitivity and chaining of properties JimH: what is the requirement? JimH: req: we MUST have our language able to do this JimH: Goal/objective: We would like to be able to do it, or we can only recommend an "idiom" JimH: Pat: does req mean - language must have syntactic feature for this, or "we can do this with the langauge" JimH: JimH: I believe we just mean "can do w/the features we define" - not one to one. JimH: ACTION: Tim Finin to send Jeff a paointer to the FIPA langauge req. document JimH: Jeff - shoud we make the use cases "generic" or "real" JimH: Jeremy C.- specifity is good. JimH: Jeff - perhaps we should try to anonymize --> las btw, I noted the Boston offer -that would work well for me. JimH: Jeff: do we want "project name" to show this is real? JimH: Jeremy: no, but saying someone is doing this is good *las* it would require my scurrying around a bit, and it might well be out here at Olin, but I think that I could probably swing it (and certainly Boston would be easier for me) JimH: JimH: suggest something that says "these are representative" JimH: JimH - when can we get this done?? JimH: ACTION: Use Case group will have one more week to get a draft to group as a strawman. JimH: ---------------2b - D+O vs. OWL reqs mdean_: requirements/DAML+OIL mapping is at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/reqdo.html JimH: recording issues as f2f and then saying how much of each DAML covers JimH: Mike: should this be appendix to Jeff document or a standalone internal document. JimH: Jeff: would prefer this to be separate JimH: Mike: structure of document - issue followed by y/n and brief discussion JimH: more depth in A reqs than B, also still work in progress JimH: Mike - encourage further discussion on mailing list JimH: Important that WOWG members review this document and send comments to the mailing list ASAP JimH: ACTION - have unwritten parts in this document done as soon as possible (Mike, Dan, Ian) JimH: -------------------2c Layering document JimH: pfps: A version of this document has been sent to WG (today) JimH: describes the 4 options w/respect to their key commitments JimH: a "more windy" version is in process, due Feb 15. JimH: Document helps outline the key differences among the approaches JimH: Important that WOWG members review this document and send comments to the mailing list ASAP JimH: Eric M. - hard to discuss this as batch mail on this one. JimH: JimH - please suggest these as agenda items... JimH: 4==============4 - next for us JimH: discuss what are our WG outcomes to be, roughly when and how will we get there *** Signoff: pfps (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) JimH: We need to produce spec/software/test cases/support examples/etc. JimH: JEremy: discuss early helps w/implement JimH: Pat - in many cases some of the issues in the documents overlap/impinge - how we will deal w/that JimH: example - layering JimH: how to create/coordinate is an issue - little discussion JimH: RESOLVED: Jim and Guus to create/approve methods timfinin: I have to leave for another meeting. bye. *** timfinin has left channel #webont. JimH: Jeremy: implicit breaking into subgroups w/email to everyone. JimH: Jeremy: we could be using email a lot more JimH: Eric: a lot of background knowledge needed for the group - seems like people cannot always see how things happen -- how do we do this. las: I need to leave too....dropping off the phone line, though I hope to monitor the irc.... JimH: Sometimes we need to know what we are doing - changing D+O, breaking new ground, etc. JimH: Eric: again, can only make limited contribution to things sometimes. JimH: ACTION Jim/Guus will send to mailing list a proposed list of documents/approaches and ask people to express interests in particular w/respect to those issues. JimH: Please EMAIL AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT TIME TO GUUS/JIM JimH: Guus - next week we will discuss reqs and how they match w/current D+O -- we want to identify reqs that are not covered by D+O and D+O features not used in the Reqs. JimH: Guus - can discussion of layering please include other people. JimH: (i.e. be emailed) JimH: Jeremy sugests virtually all mail should be sent to the group - this seems to meet other people's approval JimH: RESOLVED: All groups working on WebOnt should try to have their discussion as open as possible. Please make sure major versions are noted. JimH: Peter raises problem w/resolution -- not resolved. JimH: ADJOURNED JimH: ======================================= -- Prof. James Hendler Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technology 301-405-2696 (phone) Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab 301-405-8488 (fax) University of Maryland http://www.cs.umd.edu/~hendler College Park, MD 20742
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