- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:50:08 -0500
- To: www-webont-wg@w3.org
- Cc: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <p05100302b87f40250249@[128.8.130.81]>
In attendance: Buswell, Dean, Decker, Fensel, Finin, Heflin, Hendler,
Klein, McGuinness, Miller, Motta, Obrst, Patel-Schneider, Schreiber,
M. Smith, Stein, ter Horst, Trastour ++ Hayes, Volz, Carroll, van
Harmelen, Horrocks
Regrets: Connolly (power outage)
ACTIONS:
ACTION: Finin to complete use case on ubiq. comp (Due ASAP)
ACTION: Buswell to complete design Use case (Due ASAP)
ACTION - Obrst to help find ontology partitioning - review and
refine req (Due ASAP)
ACTION - Pat Hayes to send Jeff a couple of sentences on referring
to vs. commiting to ontologies (Due ASAP)
ACTION: Tim Finin to send Jeff a paointer to the FIPA langauge req.
document (due ASAP)
ACTION: Use Case group will have one more week to get a draft to
group as a strawman.
ACTION - have unwritten parts in the D+O vs OWL document done as
soon as possible (Mike, Dan, Ian) -- follow on ACTION - Mike D. to
document what OWL reqs not covered by D+O, and what D+O features
currently not used in addressing our reqs - Due: Feb 7
ACTION Jim/Guus will send to mailing list a proposed list of
documents/outputs expected of the working group (tied to calendar if
possible) and ask people to express interests in particular w/respect
to those issues - Due: Feb 14
Resolutions:
RESOLVED: Jim and Guus to propose the methods (by which documents
get created and worked on) [Note: group did not express strong
opinions w/respect to how to designate/coordinate/etc.]
Log:
JimH: Announcements
JimH: ---------------
JimH: f2f April 8-9 Amsterdam
*rreck* prepare for a huge gif <- sorry
JimH: Solicit feedback on date for 3rd F2F - volunteer of place
still needed
las: I will likely be unable to attend either of the F2Fs as proposed.
JimH: Europe/East Coast suggested - volunteers sought
JimH: ----------------
JimH: Guus Schreiber joins as WG co-chair (Jim an Guus both cochairs)
las: If Boston is a desirable location, I could probably host
an F2F in July (even 1-2 July if that's the time -- my restriction is
travelling, not the dates)
JimH: ---------------------
JimH: 2) ==============
JimH: Use Case / reqs document -- not completed
JimH: Interim document available.
JimH: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/owl/
JimH: 4 of 6 use cases entered, 2 are remaining to be provided
JimH: missing: ubiq: Finin, Design: Buswell(?)
JimH: ACTION: Finin to complete use case on ubiq. comp
JimH: ACTION: Buswell to complete design Use case
JimH: Gools section
JimH: s/gools/goals
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JimH: review of reqs - still missing
JimH: unicode strings (Jeremy Carroll)
JimH: ontology partitioning - needs review
JimH: ACTION - Leo Obrst to help find ontology partitioning -
review and refine req
JimH: question: how do the reqs with respect to partitioning
and tagging fit together.
JimH: Mike - ability to nominally associate properties
w/statements as well as with instances
JimH: Mike; would be good
JimH: Pat - difference between referring vs. commiting to it.
JimH: ACTION - Pat Hayes to send Jeff a couple of sentences on
referring to vs. commiting to ontologies
JimH: Question: by layered approach, what do we mean?
JimH: Leo: OWL lite for devices is one meaning
JimH: Dieter: Graphical editor might want a defined sublayer
w/respect to OWL
JimH: Dieter: example, for decidability might want a layer
JimH: transitivity and chaining of properties
JimH: what is the requirement?
JimH: req: we MUST have our language able to do this
JimH: Goal/objective: We would like to be able to do it, or we
can only recommend an "idiom"
JimH: Pat: does req mean - language must have syntactic feature
for this, or "we can do this with the langauge"
JimH: JimH: I believe we just mean "can do w/the features we
define" - not one to one.
JimH: ACTION: Tim Finin to send Jeff a paointer to the FIPA
langauge req. document
JimH: Jeff - shoud we make the use cases "generic" or "real"
JimH: Jeremy C.- specifity is good.
JimH: Jeff - perhaps we should try to anonymize
--> las btw, I noted the Boston offer -that would work well for me.
JimH: Jeff: do we want "project name" to show this is real?
JimH: Jeremy: no, but saying someone is doing this is good
*las* it would require my scurrying around a bit, and it might
well be out here at Olin, but I think that I could probably swing it
(and certainly Boston would be easier for me)
JimH: JimH: suggest something that says "these are representative"
JimH: JimH - when can we get this done??
JimH: ACTION: Use Case group will have one more week to get a
draft to group as a strawman.
JimH: ---------------2b - D+O vs. OWL reqs
mdean_: requirements/DAML+OIL mapping is at
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/reqdo.html
JimH: recording issues as f2f and then saying how much of each
DAML covers
JimH: Mike: should this be appendix to Jeff document or a
standalone internal document.
JimH: Jeff: would prefer this to be separate
JimH: Mike: structure of document - issue followed by y/n and
brief discussion
JimH: more depth in A reqs than B, also still work in progress
JimH: Mike - encourage further discussion on mailing list
JimH: Important that WOWG members review this document and send
comments to the mailing list ASAP
JimH: ACTION - have unwritten parts in this document done as
soon as possible (Mike, Dan, Ian)
JimH: -------------------2c Layering document
JimH: pfps: A version of this document has been sent to WG (today)
JimH: describes the 4 options w/respect to their key commitments
JimH: a "more windy" version is in process, due Feb 15.
JimH: Document helps outline the key differences among the approaches
JimH: Important that WOWG members review this document and send
comments to the mailing list ASAP
JimH: Eric M. - hard to discuss this as batch mail on this one.
JimH: JimH - please suggest these as agenda items...
JimH: 4==============4 - next for us
JimH: discuss what are our WG outcomes to be, roughly when and
how will we get there
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JimH: We need to produce spec/software/test cases/support examples/etc.
JimH: JEremy: discuss early helps w/implement
JimH: Pat - in many cases some of the issues in the documents
overlap/impinge - how we will deal w/that
JimH: example - layering
JimH: how to create/coordinate is an issue - little discussion
JimH: RESOLVED: Jim and Guus to create/approve methods
timfinin: I have to leave for another meeting. bye.
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JimH: Jeremy: implicit breaking into subgroups w/email to everyone.
JimH: Jeremy: we could be using email a lot more
JimH: Eric: a lot of background knowledge needed for the group
- seems like people cannot always see how things happen -- how do we
do this.
las: I need to leave too....dropping off the phone line,
though I hope to monitor the irc....
JimH: Sometimes we need to know what we are doing - changing
D+O, breaking new ground, etc.
JimH: Eric: again, can only make limited contribution to things
sometimes.
JimH: ACTION Jim/Guus will send to mailing list a proposed list
of documents/approaches and ask people to express interests in
particular w/respect to those issues.
JimH: Please EMAIL AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT TIME TO GUUS/JIM
JimH: Guus - next week we will discuss reqs and how they match
w/current D+O -- we want to identify reqs that are not covered by D+O
and D+O features not used in the Reqs.
JimH: Guus - can discussion of layering please include other people.
JimH: (i.e. be emailed)
JimH: Jeremy sugests virtually all mail should be sent to the
group - this seems to meet other people's approval
JimH: RESOLVED: All groups working on WebOnt should try to have
their discussion as open as possible. Please make sure major
versions are noted.
JimH: Peter raises problem w/resolution -- not resolved.
JimH: ADJOURNED
JimH: =======================================
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Prof. James Hendler Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technology
301-405-2696 (phone) Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab
301-405-8488 (fax) University of Maryland
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~hendler College Park, MD 20742
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