- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:42:10 +0900
- To: Dan Burnett <dburnett@voxeo.com>
- CC: Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>, www-voice@w3.org, public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org
Hello Dan, thank you for your mail. I accept your resolution and wish you all the best for the Candidate Recommendation. Felix Dan Burnett さんは書きました: > Dear Felix, > > Thank you for your private comment. > > Resolution: Accepted > Explanation: We agree with you and have decided to adjust our schemas > to allow attributes from non-SSML namespaces to occur on all SSML 1.1 > elements. FYI, we will also allow elements from non-SSML namespaces > to occur as children of any SSML 1.1 element. > > If you accept our resolution to your request, can you please reply > indicating that you accept our resolutions? > If we do not hear from you within two weeks of today we will assume > that you have accepted our resolution. > > Because we are trying to publish the Candidate Recommendation before > the publishing moratorium in October, I humbly request that you reply > by Monday, 29 September, if at all possible. Although you do have the > full two weeks to reply if you need it, it would help us tremendously > if you could provide us with a reply by Monday. > > Dan Burnett > SSML 1.1 Co-Editor > Voice Browser Working Group > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Felix Sasaki wrote: > >> >> Hello Dan, all , >> >> this is a private reply. >> >> Dan Burnett さんは書きました: >>> >>> Dear Jirka (and ITS WG), >>> >>> Thank you for your comments. Our responses are embedded below, >>> preceded by "DB>>". >>> If you have any concerns with our responses, please let us know. If >>> we do not hear from you within two weeks of today we will assume >>> that you have accepted our resolutions. >>> >>> Dan Burnett >>> SSML 1.1 Co-Editor >>> Voice Browser Working Group >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Jirka Kosek wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> ITS WG reviewed SSML 1.1 >>>> (http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-speech-synthesis11-20080620/) from >>>> perspective of suitability for internationalization and localization. >>>> >>>> We would appreciate if you can incorporate our feedback into SSML. >>>> >>>> SSML should allow usage of ITS markup (http://www.w3.org/TR/its/), >>>> because SSML documents contain natural text with speech markup and >>>> as such it is very likely that they can be translated. >>>> >>>> SSML currently doesn't provide direct support for ITS and has >>>> limited extensibility which prevents using ITS (see below). >>>> >>>> Problem 1: >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> Section 2.2.3 >>>> (http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-speech-synthesis11-20080620/#S2.2.3) >>>> allows usage of foreign elements inside SSML documents. Thus it is >>>> legitimate to use elements like its:rules or its:ruby in SSML >>>> documents. >>>> >>>> However specification doesn't explicitly allow to use foreign >>>> attributes. This means that it is not possible to use local ITS >>>> attributes like its:translate. >>>> >>>> Solution 1: >>>> =========== >>>> >>>> SSML should allow foreign attributes on any SSML element. Ideally >>>> such possibility will not be mentioned only in prose of spec, but >>>> also XML schema will specify this using xs:anyAttribute (and >>>> similarly by xs:any for elements). >>> >>> DB>> Resolution: Accepted with modifications >>> DB>> Explanation: We agree that non-SSML attributes should be >>> permitted in the same way that non >>> DB>> SSML elements are permitted, and in fact the other subsections >>> of 2.2 describe this in detail. We >>> DB>> will extend the text in 2.2.3 to indicate that attributes are >>> also allowed. However, your request to >>> DB>> allow ITS attributes does not, in our opinion, introduce any >>> more need to generalize the Schema >>> DB>> than was already present in SSML 1.0 (and hence 1.1). We >>> believe that converting the Schema >>> DB>> to use xs:anyAttribute and xs:any would trivialize the Schema. >>> We do not plan to change the >>> DB>> Schema. >> >> >> My reaction may not come to you as a surprise ... I would propose a >> similar resolution as for the PLS 1.0 schema. Both in PLS 1.0 and >> SSML 1.1 you already have one element for general, additional markup. >> In SSML 1.1 this is the metadata element which has both element and >> attribute extensibility. I understand that you do not want to >> introduce general element extensibility, but I would propose you to >> do the same as I proposed for PLS 1.0: add general attribute >> extensibility to the SML 1.1. schema. I think this is harmless and a >> huge benefit for "foreign vocabularies" like ITS. >> >>> >>>> >>>> Problem 2: >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> Element sub have attribute alias >>>> (http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-speech-synthesis11-20080620/#S3.1.11) >>>> which contains text for pronuncation. However it is not possible to >>>> attach any ITS category to single attribute. Moreover using >>>> attributes for natural language text is against XML I18N BP >>>> (http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-xml-i18n-bp-20080213/#DevAttributes). >>>> Using subelement for alias will be better solution. >>>> >>>> Solution 2: >>>> =========== >>>> >>>> Use alias subelement instead of attribute. >>>> >>> >>> DB>> Resolution: Rejected (deferred) >>> DB>> Explanation: We agree that the inability to add markup to the >>> spoken text of the <sub> element >>> DB>> is a lack within SSML. This comment was raised during the Last >>> Call Working Draft for SSML 1.0 >>> DB>> (see SSCR145-46 at >>> DB>> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-speech-synthesis-20031218/disposition.html#SSCR145-46). >>> >>> DB>> We still believe that a change of this sort will break >>> compatibility with SSML 1.0, and that the >>> DB>> stated scope of SSML 1.1 (see Section 1.2 in >>> DB>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-ssml11reqs-20070611/#intro) does >>> not suggest making this sort >>> DB>> of change. We propose to defer this change, as before, to a >>> future version where SSML is more >>> DB>> broadly re-written. >> >> I personally understand and agree with your position to keep the >> alias attribute for backwards compatibilty reasons. >> >> Felix >> >>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jirka Kosek >>>> on behalf of ITS WG >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Jirka Kosek e-mail: jirka@kosek.cz http://xmlguru.cz >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Professional XML consulting and training services >>>> DocBook customization, custom XSLT/XSL-FO document processing >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> OASIS DocBook TC member, W3C Invited Expert, ISO JTC1/SC34 member >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
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