- From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:31:31 -0800
- To: "Shires, Glen" <glen.shires@intel.com>
- Cc: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, www-voice@w3.org, w3c-wai-pf@w3.org
The mark tag is designed to return the index mark as things get
spoken.
As others have pointed out stop itself does not belong in SSML;
rather, an app that is generating a stream of SSML should insert mark
commands at appropriate points so that when it issues a stop command
to the engine to which it has previously sent an SSML stream,
it can then know how far speech has progressed based on its tracking
of the returned index marks.
>>>>> "Shires," == Shires, Glen <glen.shires@intel.com> writes:
Shires,> David, If I understand your view on this, the "voice
Shires,> browser in this instance" would use something like DOM to
Shires,> manipulate the SSML. If so, I would think it would be
Shires,> difficult to know precisely where in the SSML document to
Shires,> insert the <STOP> tag because one would need to know
Shires,> exactly which point in the SSML document the renderer
Shires,> currently processing. While <MARK> can coarsely help with
Shires,> this, I envision numerous complexities in terms of
Shires,> pipeline-buffers, latency and race conditions. I would
Shires,> think implementation would be vastly easier and more
Shires,> robust if a "stop" command (e.g. from a scripted object)
Shires,> was simply sent to the TTS-engine/renderer (as opposed to
Shires,> attempting to dynamically insert a markup tag at the
Shires,> proper position in the markup).
Shires,> Thanks, Glen Shires Intel Corporation
Shires,> -----Original Message----- From: David Poehlman
Shires,> [mailto:poehlman1@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, January
Shires,> 29, 2003 10:47 AM To: Shires, Glen; www-voice@w3.org Cc:
Shires,> w3c-wai-pf@w3.org Subject: Re: Critical missing feature
Shires,> in SSML specification
Shires,> I view ssl mark up in the same way that I view html or
Shires,> xml mark up. The user agent retrieves it and from there
Shires,> it is under user agent controll. The voice browser in
Shires,> this instance would have to have the capability of
Shires,> manipulating the mark up in the same way s other agents
Shires,> manipulate html or xml. While I understand a requirement
Shires,> for a full stop, it must be in post get since it could
Shires,> most likely be of no benefit in pre-get or in the data
Shires,> set. In the case of streaming, it is still a function of
Shires,> another layer which exercises controll. I would
Shires,> encourage that this idea be kept but enforced in a
Shires,> context where it can have effect.
Shires,> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shires, Glen"
Shires,> <glen.shires@intel.com> To: <www-voice@w3.org> Cc:
Shires,> <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003
Shires,> 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Critical missing feature in SSML
Shires,> specification
Shires,> Richard, I understand why the scenario you describe
Shires,> requires a "stop" command. I do not understand how a
Shires,> <STOP> markup tag would fulfill these requirements. It
Shires,> seems to me that the SSML markup would be already
Shires,> generated and in process of being spoken by the TTS
Shires,> engine when an event that initiates the "stop" command
Shires,> occurs. I can envision how a scripted object might
Shires,> accomplish this, but not how a <STOP> markup tag would do
Shires,> so.
Shires,> Perhaps you could explain.
Shires,> Thanks, Glen Shires Intel Corporation
Shires,> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Schwerdtfeger
Shires,> [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 29,
Shires,> 2003 9:37 AM To: www-voice@w3.org Cc: w3c-wai-pf@w3.org
Shires,> Subject: Critical missing feature in SSML specification
Shires,> Importance: High
Shires,> In reviewing the SSML specification we (PF Group)
Shires,> overlooked an extremely critical missing feature in the
Shires,> last call draft.
Shires,> It is absolutely essential that SSML support a <STOP>
Shires,> command.
Shires,> Scenario:
Shires,> Screen reader users will often hit the stop command to
Shires,> tell the speech synthesizer to stop speaking. Screen
Shires,> Readers would use the <MARK> annotation as a way to have
Shires,> the speech engine tell the screen reader when speech has
Shires,> been processed (marker processed). In the event that the
Shires,> user tells the screen reader to stop speaking the screen
Shires,> reader should be able to send a stop command to the
Shires,> speech engine which would utltimately flush the speech
Shires,> buffers. Markers not returned would help the screen
Shires,> reader know where the user left off in the user interface
Shires,> (maintain point of regard relative to what has been
Shires,> spoken).
Shires,> I apologize for not submitting this in our last call
Shires,> review but this is a hard requirement. Otherwise, we SSML
Shires,> cannot support screen readers.
Shires,> Rich
Shires,> Rich Schwerdtfeger STSM, Software Group Accessibility
Shires,> Strategist Emerging Internet Technologies Chair, IBM
Shires,> Accessibility Architecture Review Board
Shires,> schwer@us.ibm.com, Phone: 512-838-4593,T/L: 678-4593
Shires,> "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one
Shires,> less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.",
Shires,> Frost
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Best Regards,
--raman
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