- From: Sean B. Palmer <sean@mysterylights.com>
- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:58:03 -0000
- To: <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
- Cc: "Dan Brickley" <danbri@w3.org>, "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>, "Aaron Swartz" <aswartz@swartzfam.com>, <www-talk@w3.org>
Hi Everyone, The current outline of a Semantic Web (and RDF/Schemas etc.) is all well and good [if a little fuzzy], but at the end of the day we will still need a Semantic output format for the SW, i.e a document format that is semantically compatable and more to the point, works well, with XSLT and RDF etc. The goals should be: 1. Produce a fully Semantic document medium, [probably based on current XML related UI technologies, that can be easily converted using XSLT into RDF]. 2. Produce a framework for extending and subsetting this medium, so that it may be fully machine processable, as well as being a human readable output. 3. Make the framework technology independent, so that when RDF/XML etc. are past their sell by dates, the method still remains. It could be *loosely* based on XHTML tags (c.f. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Mar/0103.html - Semantic HTML), but utilizing more semantic elements, and using RDF and Schemas: in other words, a Semantic Document Framework - SDF (not to be confused with RDF!). It cannot be a MarkUp language per se., and there isn't going to be a specification, it's more of a lingua franca. However, it must be heavily semantic, and well described using RDF (DC?) etc. For example, we could start with an XML DTD framework:- <html> <head></head> <body></body> <foot></foot> </html> Common attrs. RDF:* xml:lang Where the "HTML" tags are used for backwards-compatibility, and then have a semantic filling (described by [XML] Schemas): RDF, <phrasing type="..."></phrasing> etc. BTW: They aren't really going to be HTML tags, becuase they will have a different Namespace! I hope people follow what I am saying here: a semantic output medium, but based on HTML tags so that it works in current WWW browsers, as well as whatever upcoming SW browsers there are. Put more technically, but innaccurately: for document structure use XML DTDs; for semantic filling and content use Schemas and RDF. All of this is to maintain the transition from WWW to SW, and into RDF; but it's also to allow RDF to survive...after all, the Semantic Web must *eventually* be interfaced. This will hopefully mean that people writing documents worry about what their document means (semantics) rather than what it looks like (presentation). This Semantic XHTML idea isn't new: [[[ I believe that one of the best ways to transition into RDF, if not a long-term deployment strategy for RDF, is to manage the information in human-consumable form (XHTML) annotated with just enough info to extract the RDF statements that the human info is intended to convey. In other words: using a relational database or some sort of native RDF data store, and spitting out HTML dynamically, is a lot of infrastructure to operate and probably not worth it for lots of interesting cases. We all know that we have to produce a human-readable version of the thing... why not use that as the primary source? ]]] - Dan Connolly, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Mar/0103.html O.K., this does take these ideas on quite a few steps further, but nothing at all like this has really been developed yet. I guess what I'm trying to say is "let's stop using class=[...] for RDF, and get this show on the road!" [SDF Tech. Note]: As for Namespaces, can we just use them to say "this is in this language", and use xsi:SchemaLocation & DTDs for validation - (Is that gonna work? Can you mix Schemas and DTDs in that way?). P.S. I have a long way to go to understanding the Semantic Web, so I would appreciate as much constructive criticism/errata as possible! Of course, the bottom line is that the SW/RDF *has* to be made for accessible to the public... Kindest Regards, Sean B. Palmer ---------------------------------------------------- The Semantic Web: A Resource - http://xhtml.waptechinfo.com/swr/ WAP Tech Info - http://www.waptechinfo.com/ Mysterylights.com - http://www.mysterylights.com/ ---------------------------------------------------- "The Internet; is that thing still around?" - Homer J. Simpson
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