- From: <bede@scotty.mitre.org>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:22:02 -0400
- To: t-jont@microsoft.com
- Cc: www-talk@www10.w3.org
From: Jonathon Tidswell <t-jont@microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:43:52 TZ [ . . . ] Ive been following this discussion long enough to realise that MPAA and PG13 are US film rating desriptors (authority and rating). They are consequently totally inappropriate for my use as I wish Australian ratings (I am in Australia). This is exactly why I'd have an IANA-registered name to go with the rating string -- you have a point of reference for getting the schema information used in the rating string so you can decode it. While they're not carved in stone, the standard content-rating schemes tend to be highly stable, so you'd never need to do this retrieval more than about once a year. I think the server has at least a "best-effort" responsibility to ensure that documents get delivered with an explicit rating that makes sense at the presumed destination --- that is, if there is a rating, or enough information available at the server (e.g., in a content descriptor) to derive one, and/or the client explicitly asked for a rating, either in the protocol transaction or in an overarching client/server subscription agreement. We have a problem in that the Internet's geography doesn't match the planet's political geography very well, if at all, which is why I proposed letting the client negotiate the parameter. For example, let's assume the Australian MPAA equivalent is called the "AMPAA", so your client would tell remote servers "Content-Rating: AMPAA *" or something like that. There might be defaults based on something like the assumed mappings from domain names to countries, but there are obvious problems with this idea (e.g., *.com multinational companies, like Microsoft). Did you use a finalised rating rather than a content descriptor on purpose ? Yes. It seems to me that the information MPAA used to derive the rating would be a more sensible/useful label. This allows US filters to add rules that generate MPAA conforming ratings and other filters to generate filters conforming to other rating systems. I think this is something URCs are supposed to buy for you, and a lot more. I think URCs are a terrific idea, but it will take a while to field them since, even if you ignore the fact they're not standardized at this point, it looks like they'll need some external infrastructure support we don't have right now. How the MPAA arrives at its ratings doesn't seem to be quantifiable, and to my knowledge the MPAA has never published either specifications or justifications anyway. There simply aren't any easy forumulae for prurient interest or violence which define the MPAA boundary between "R" and "PG-13", for example. So-called "community standards" in the US are almost invariably based on a summary opinion like an MPAA rating, too, irrespective of the film's content, so quantifying distinct community standards is a tough hike, too. I think a content-rating as an HTTP header line is like a little sticker on the outside of the document: even politicians, the police and Mom can understand the concept. Giving the consumer a collection of terms with which to derive a rating vector might be much better in some ways, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how I'd explain it to Mom and Senator Exon. My feeling is that something like an MPAA rating would be one term in the collection of terms you'd put in an embedded (?) content descriptor. Clearly, you could have other MPAA-like terms, but you want an (optional) sticker visible on the "outside" of the document (i.e., in the HTTP headers) anyway. None of this prevents a cautiously-configured client from asking for an opinion in advance or for confirmation of a rating from a trusted third party service. However, I think the biggest subscribers to ratings services might actually be document servers, since the extra cost can be passed along to the client as something like a "validated- adult-content-rating surcharge". As a couple of guys have pointed out, there's probably a market worth chasing for much more broadly- defined rating services, since there's more to life than sex, bad language and violence. These extended services are where I think URCs might see fullest use, too. [ . . . ] How am I supposed to use a rating string if I cannot decode it ? In the scheme I'm proposing, it depends entirely on the local policy and configuration. Maybe you'd silently chuck the whole document when a content rating is missing, undecipherable or garbled. Maybe you're configured to not care about ratings, so you display the document. Another approach might be to complain about it in a pop-up and either let the user decide what to do next, or go to the rating authority "out-of-band" and get a copy of their schema so their rating strings don't become a recurring problem. What you do with the document in the meantime is strictly a local issue. - Bede McCall <bede@mitre.org> The MITRE Corporation Tel: (617) 271-2839 Bedford, Massachusetts FAX: (617) 271-2423
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