- From: Nitin Borwankar <nitin@borwankar.com>
- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:02:37 -0700 (PDT)
- To: nsb@nsb.fv.com (Nathaniel Borenstein)
- Cc: www-talk@www10.w3.org, nitin@borwankar.com, safe-tcl@cs.utk.edu
In your message you, Nathaniel Borenstein, said in most eloquent fashion > I'd gotten WAY behind on my mail, but I wanted to add one comment to > Nitin's comments on this thread. > Just to clarify my position: I am not *opposed* to an intermediate > language (agent-lingua-franca). I am very concerned, however, about its > design, and about the fact that the concept remains entirely unproven. At the outset, let me say that my arguments were and still are from the viewpoint of a dissemination strategy for existing technology and not from a viewpoint of research. To explain, I am more concerned with the question - "How do we make sure that all this great technology doesn't get lost in the marketing noise that will very soon flood the airwaves ?" and "How can safe-tcl survive inspite of all the proprietary efforts ?" *rather than* "What is the best/safest/most mature and proven technology". This last question, is in my opinion, not always the right question to ask *if we are concerned about market acceptance* which I believe we all are. Technically superb designs and implementations have failed to achieve market share, and in fact it is more the rule that technically mediocre or even flawed technology ( need I mention the M.. company ) can garner commanding positions through massive and well directed marketing efforts. I initiated the intermediate language ( used here in the colloquial sense of intermediate, rather than the CS sense of lower-level ) thread only to draw attention to the fact that a large number of relatively non-sophisticated users will be arriving soon. If the current safe-tcl effort doesn't take them into account, they ( the naive users ) will, by default, settle for the warmed over offerings from MediocreSoft(tm), your friendly neighborhood software company that wants to take over the whole world. Having a platform like MS Network will give it a means to foist very crude active mail models on a largely unsuspecting user/programmer population in the vein of Dos, Win3.1, Visual Basic etc. Historically, the Unix/Internet/University/Research Lab community has ignored these technically unsophisticated approaches assuming they will fail in the market. And people continue to think that because they don't understand the Internet technology/culture MicroSplat will fail. How naive !!! I feel that a similar thing may happen with the enabled mail efforts and that alot of great technology may end up being just that - great technology but with no ensuing products. The bottom line is - there are no known commercial products out there that are openly using safe-tcl. A way to piggyback onto the momentum generated by marketing-driven efforts of MicroSpiff (tm ) would be to position safe-tcl as the intermediate language, thus leveraging all existing development efforts and also using proven and safe technology. Thus any restricted technology foisted upon the world by MicroSquash(tm), your innovative, creative, communications company, will remain restricted in use to the MSNetwork and safe-tcl efforts need not have to twist themselves out of shape. In addition, to access the new and exciting content on the Internet outside MS Network, MS Network users will have to have a way to access safe-tcl based Net hosts. Voila' safe-tcl intermediate language to the rescue. Enabled-mail content will remain safe-tcl, which can be translated into and out of at sending and receiving ends respectively. Rather than being the all-encompassing enabled-mail language everywhere which is a very hard goal to achieve, why not be the *transported language* of choice ? This positions safe-tcl as complementary to any proprietary technology and not in opposition. My belief is that a head-to-head language war with Visible Balsamic (tm) will fail simply from the numbers stand point, and then you won't get a second chance. The real question is, does the safe-tcl community want safe-tcl to ever be a commercially deployed technology or is it something that is preferably kept as a research plaything. I don't see a clear answer to that question but the responses I have received suggest that most safe-ctl users are from the research side of things. ( At this point I woul like to add that this doesn't, in any way deprecate the future efforts of the Ousterhout group - I would consider their efforts to be based on producing tcl development tools whereas when I say "products" I mean something outside the realm of development per se eg end-user products that are produced by safe-tcl developers. ) My feeling is that if the safe-tcl community wants to survive and prosper in commercial realms, they will have to start asking different questions - questions more directed towards disseminating and diffusing existing technology into commercial *products* and move away from focusing on "my language is better than yours". I would like to suggest that the "better" language doesn't always win in the market place. So the real question is do we want to be a market/product based technology or do we want to do some real neat things in our spare time ? The kind of questions we are concerned with are, in my opinion, quite different in the two cases. 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