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Re: Link rot in Supreme Court decisions

From: Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:41:04 -0400
Message-ID: <52437490.2060307@oracle.com>
To: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
CC: Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com>, Karl Dubost <karl@la-grange.net>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, "www-tag@w3.org WG" <www-tag@w3.org>
Hi Larry:
Let's frame the discussion a bit differently.
The memento proposal does not solve the link permanence problem.
But does it help the link rot problem?

I must admit I'm on the fence about this because there are other
solutions to the link versioning issue.  W3C and IETF have conventions
for document versioning, etc.
All the best, Ashok

On 9/25/2013 10:37 AM, Larry Masinter wrote:
> to archive documents for a long time, you need more than just link stability. You need document formats designed for archive, and you need a storage system that can guarantee integrity for the lifetime of the information archived.
> My take on this was http://larry.masinter.net/0603-archiving.pdf -- your answers might be different but the questions remain.
> Larry
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Herbert Van de Sompel [mailto:hvdsomp@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: Karl Dubost
>> Cc: Mark Nottingham; www-tag@w3.org WG
>> Subject: Re: Link rot in Supreme Court decisions
>> Karl
>> I couldn't agree more. If you find a moment, pls read the document
>> http://mementoweb.org/missing-link/
>> Herbert
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 16:45, Karl Dubost <karl@la-grange.net> wrote:
>>> Mark Nottingham [2013-09-23T21:50]:
>>>> I'm sure some here will enjoy / be horrified by this.
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/us/politics/in-supreme-court-
>> opinions-clicks-that-lead-
>> nowhere.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=t
>> witter&_r=0
>>> horrified by the tracking link ;) :p
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/us/politics/in-supreme-court-opinions-
>> clicks-that-lead-nowhere.html
>>> That said:
>>> * Identifier
>>> * Actual content
>>> * Duplication
>>>   - Location
>>>   - Rights
>>> Many things which are published on papers are extremely resistant to time,
>> because of the third property, aka duplicated in many places apart from each
>> other. In addition to that, libraries have a special status with regards to the law
>> on keeping and circulate copies of a work.
>>> On the Web, there are cache systems but not really with an archiving policy.
>> And we have the issue of most of the time what is identified is what/where is
>> stored. Practical for fresh information, catastrophic for the fabric of time. In an
>> aesthetics of the Web, rust is spreading quite quickly.
>>> In addition to that, the identifier is dependent on the location owner (domain
>> name).
>>> --
>>> Karl Dubost
>>> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
Received on Wednesday, 25 September 2013 23:41:56 UTC

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