Re: Minutes for August 11 Telcon

Thank you, Jonathan!
We should discuss how to make the Wiki better
and see if we can get some security experts to
add material.
All the best, Ashok

On 8/13/2011 11:22 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote:
> Thanks. I think you meant to say "are at
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-minutes"
>
> I took the liberty of editing the minutes file to hyperlink the
> question "Don't we already have a security wiki?"
> to the following:  http://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/Main_Page
> I didn't have the link handy during the meeting but there it is.
>
> The answer seems to be yes.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, ashok malhotra
> <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>  wrote:
>> Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon
>> and in text below.
>>
>> [1]W3C
>>
>>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>                                - DRAFT -
>>
>>                               TAG Weekly
>>
>> 11 Aug 2011
>>
>>    [2]Agenda
>>
>>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>>
>>    See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>    Present
>>           Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson,
>>           Noah_Mendelsohn
>>
>>    Regrets
>>           TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter
>>
>>    Chair
>>           Noah Mendelsohn
>>
>>    Scribe
>>           Ashok
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>      * [4]Topics
>>          1. [5]Convene
>>          2. [6]Administrative
>>          3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>>          4. [8]Overdue Actions
>>          5. [9]Telcons in August
>>      * [10]Summary of Action Items
>>      _________________________________________________________
>>
>>    <scribe>    scribe: Ashok
>>
>>    <scribe>    Scribenick: Ashok
>>
>> Convene
>>
>>    Approval of minutes
>>
>>    <noah>    14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>>
>>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>>
>>    Minutes appoved without objection
>>
>>    <noah>    12 July 2011:
>>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>>
>>      [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>>
>>    Minutes appoved without objection
>>
>>    <noah>    4 August 2011:
>>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>>
>>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>>
>>    Minutes appoved without objection
>>
>> Administrative
>>
>>    Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact
>>    me if you want me to reserve for you.
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah
>>
>> Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>>
>>    JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata
>>
>> Overdue Actions
>>
>>    <noah>    Sorted by owner:
>>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>>    r
>>
>>      [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-566?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper,
>>    organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due
>>    2011-07-19 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>>
>>      [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>>
>>    Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: And Yves, of course
>>
>>    Noah: and PLH
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe
>>
>>    <noah>    YL: Yes
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F?
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working
>>    group charter.
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of
>>    report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: No specific product page, but this:
>>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>>
>>      [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-583?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>>    organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>>    (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>>
>>      [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of
>>    working group.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track?
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Yes
>>
>>    <jar>    [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>>
>>      [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive
>>    weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that.
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter.
>>
>>    <jar>
>>    [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>>
>>      [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>>
>>    Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page
>>    ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should
>>    do future work in this area
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding
>>    whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what
>>    scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we
>>    could review that.
>>
>>    HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set.
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless
>>    someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't
>>    heard that.
>>
>>    JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework.
>>
>>    Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have
>>    when using the Web
>>    ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy.
>>
>>    <jar>    You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah
>>
>>    Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web
>>
>>    JAR: Framework will not come from us
>>
>>    <jar>    This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on
>>    privacy
>>
>>    Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this?
>>
>>    jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area.
>>
>>    Ashok: Half an hour at most
>>
>>    Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps
>>
>>    jar: Dan was going to work on it
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-341?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about
>>    security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>>
>>      [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>>
>>    Yves: I will check with Thomas
>>
>>    <noah>    also ACTION-516?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler
>>    about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19
>>    -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>>
>>      [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>>
>>    Yves: Charter being discussed
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security
>>
>>    <noah>    YL: Yes.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: What scope
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-515?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for
>>    John) who will publish
>>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly
>>    cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>>
>>      [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>>
>>      [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Discusion of security wiki
>>
>>    <jar>    Don't we already have a security wiki?
>>
>>    <jar>    Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about
>>    security
>>
>>    HT: Need someone to bring something to the table
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about
>>    spinning wheels
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-554?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page
>>    for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due:
>>    2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>>
>>      [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>>
>>    <noah>    Email from Tobias Gondrum:
>>    [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>>
>>      [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: He is chair of one of the working groups
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-572?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 --
>>    due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>>
>>      [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>>
>>    Yves: keep open so we can discuss
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW
>>
>>    Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f
>>    time
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-519?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural
>>    opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due
>>    2011-08-02 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>>
>>      [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>>
>>    Peter: I have not had time to work on this
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18
>>
>>    Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18?
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to
>>    scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-583?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>>    organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>>    (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>>
>>      [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-523?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>>    OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>      [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out
>>    now?
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Why not comment now if there are problems?
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a
>>    look
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of
>>    F2F discussion.
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of
>>    proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26
>>    due date now 2011-08-30
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-523?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>>    OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>      [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the
>>    F2F. Discuss where we're going.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft
>>    product page as input
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters
>>    here.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-523?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>>    OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>      [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page
>>    for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered
>>    on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-574?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review
>>    [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>>    ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30
>>    -- OPEN
>>
>>      [32]
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>>
>>      [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>>
>>    <noah>    AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a
>>    lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action.
>>    Jonathan?
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Not swapped in.
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Ah, host meta.
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't
>>    feel that strongly.
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests?
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con
>>
>>    <noah>    close ACTION-574
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-574 Review
>>    [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>>    ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed
>>
>>      [34]
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-472?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft
>>    based on comments&    review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>>
>>      [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the
>>    work?
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure
>>    next steps.
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Note product page
>>    [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high
>>    priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure,
>>    etc.
>>
>>      [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: We WILL discuss at F2F
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-531?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on
>>    architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30
>>    -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>>
>>      [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Same answer?
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Yes.
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-509?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG
>>    regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due
>>    2011-06-15 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>>
>>      [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>>
>>    jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present"
>>
>>    <jar>
>>    [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>>
>>      [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>>
>>    <noah>     From their draft:
>>
>>    <noah>    "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with
>>    fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the
>>    RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom,
>>    which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF
>>    serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities
>>    described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the
>>    expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at
>>    present cover
>>
>>    jar: I suggested 4 options
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the
>>    architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I
>>    will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have
>>    taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of
>>    fragid-related issues.
>>
>>    Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other
>>    frag-id issue
>>
>>    HT: Cross-reference with product page
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date
>>    and move on?
>>
>>    HT: We should discuss at f2f
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting
>>    the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-478?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of
>>    a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree
>>    from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>>
>>      [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>>
>>    <jar>    for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a
>>    hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future
>>    work
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478
>>
>>    <noah>    Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a
>>    F2F slot?
>>
>>    Noah: We don't have a product page for this
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Worth doing product page now?
>>
>>    <noah>    NM: Could clarify what we're about.
>>
>>    <noah>    JAR: Could do at the F2F
>>
>>    Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical
>>    work
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-576?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to
>>    figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially
>>    in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>>
>>      [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-541?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a
>>    first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due
>>    2011-07-26 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>>
>>      [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>>
>>    <noah>    Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541
>>    needs time at the F2F
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media
>>
>>    Noah: Something that gets published
>>
>>    <noah>    Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed
>>    Recommendation. Does that work?
>>
>>    HT: Educate people about linking
>>
>>    Noah: For the media we need something pithy
>>
>>    <noah>
>>    [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>>    r
>>
>>      [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-560?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last
>>    call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>>
>>      [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>>
>>    <noah>    ACTION-528?
>>
>>    <trackbot>    ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus
>>    on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names
>>    -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN
>>
>>    <trackbot>    [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>>
>>      [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: We've talked about 528
>>
>>    <noah>    HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of
>>    domains) nothing for me at the F2F
>>
>>    HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed
>>    frag-ids and persistence of identifiers
>>
>>    Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft
>>
>> Telcons in August
>>
>>    HT: Cannot do telcon next week
>>
>>    Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>    [End of minutes]
>>
>>
>> --
>> All the best, Ashok
>>
>>

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