- From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:31:34 -0700
- To: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
- CC: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Thank you, Jonathan! We should discuss how to make the Wiki better and see if we can get some security experts to add material. All the best, Ashok On 8/13/2011 11:22 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote: > Thanks. I think you meant to say "are at > http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-minutes" > > I took the liberty of editing the minutes file to hyperlink the > question "Don't we already have a security wiki?" > to the following: http://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/Main_Page > I didn't have the link handy during the meeting but there it is. > > The answer seems to be yes. > > Jonathan > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, ashok malhotra > <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote: >> Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon >> and in text below. >> >> [1]W3C >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/ >> >> - DRAFT - >> >> TAG Weekly >> >> 11 Aug 2011 >> >> [2]Agenda >> >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda >> >> See also: [3]IRC log >> >> [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc >> >> Attendees >> >> Present >> Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson, >> Noah_Mendelsohn >> >> Regrets >> TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter >> >> Chair >> Noah Mendelsohn >> >> Scribe >> Ashok >> >> Contents >> >> * [4]Topics >> 1. [5]Convene >> 2. [6]Administrative >> 3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F >> 4. [8]Overdue Actions >> 5. [9]Telcons in August >> * [10]Summary of Action Items >> _________________________________________________________ >> >> <scribe> scribe: Ashok >> >> <scribe> Scribenick: Ashok >> >> Convene >> >> Approval of minutes >> >> <noah> 14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda >> >> [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda >> >> Minutes appoved without objection >> >> <noah> 12 July 2011: >> [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes >> >> [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes >> >> Minutes appoved without objection >> >> <noah> 4 August 2011: >> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes >> >> [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes >> >> Minutes appoved without objection >> >> Administrative >> >> Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh >> >> <noah> HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact >> me if you want me to reserve for you. >> >> <noah> HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah >> >> Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F >> >> JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata >> >> Overdue Actions >> >> <noah> Sorted by owner: >> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne >> r >> >> [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner >> >> <noah> ACTION-566? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper, >> organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due >> 2011-07-19 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 >> >> [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566 >> >> Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop >> >> <noah> NM: And Yves, of course >> >> Noah: and PLH >> >> <noah> NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe >> >> <noah> YL: Yes >> >> <noah> NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F? >> >> <noah> AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working >> group charter. >> >> <noah> AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan >> >> <noah> NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of >> report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra >> >> <noah> NM: No specific product page, but this: >> [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html >> >> [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html >> >> <noah> ACTION-583? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) >> organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection >> (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 >> >> [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 >> >> <noah> AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of >> working group. >> >> <noah> NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track? >> >> <noah> AM: Yes >> >> <jar> [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter >> >> [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter >> >> <noah> AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive >> weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that. >> >> <noah> AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter. >> >> <jar> >> [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html >> >> [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html >> >> Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page >> ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should >> do future work in this area >> >> <noah> NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding >> whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what >> scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we >> could review that. >> >> HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area >> >> <noah> HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set. >> >> <noah> AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless >> someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't >> heard that. >> >> JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework. >> >> Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have >> when using the Web >> ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy. >> >> <jar> You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah >> >> Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web >> >> JAR: Framework will not come from us >> >> <jar> This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on >> privacy >> >> Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this? >> >> jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table >> >> <noah> NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area. >> >> Ashok: Half an hour at most >> >> Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps >> >> jar: Dan was going to work on it >> >> <noah> ACTION-341? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about >> security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 >> >> [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341 >> >> Yves: I will check with Thomas >> >> <noah> also ACTION-516? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler >> about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19 >> -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 >> >> [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516 >> >> Yves: Charter being discussed >> >> <noah> NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security >> >> <noah> YL: Yes. >> >> <noah> NM: What scope >> >> <noah> ACTION-515? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for >> John) who will publish >> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly >> cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN >> >> [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html >> >> <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 >> >> [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515 >> >> <noah> AM: Discusion of security wiki >> >> <jar> Don't we already have a security wiki? >> >> <jar> Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki. >> >> <noah> NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about >> security >> >> HT: Need someone to bring something to the table >> >> <noah> NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about >> spinning wheels >> >> <noah> ACTION-554? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page >> for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due: >> 2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 >> >> [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554 >> >> <noah> Email from Tobias Gondrum: >> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html >> >> [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html >> >> <noah> AM: He is chair of one of the working groups >> >> <noah> ACTION-572? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 -- >> due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 >> >> [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572 >> >> Yves: keep open so we can discuss >> >> <noah> ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW >> >> Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f >> time >> >> <noah> ACTION-519? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural >> opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due >> 2011-08-02 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 >> >> [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519 >> >> Peter: I have not had time to work on this >> >> <noah> ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18 >> >> Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18? >> >> <noah> ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18 >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to >> scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18 >> >> <noah> ACTION-583? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan) >> organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection >> (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 >> >> [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583 >> >> <noah> ACTION-523? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) >> build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top >> questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- >> OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> <noah> AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out >> now? >> >> <noah> NM: Why not comment now if there are problems? >> >> <noah> AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a >> look >> >> <noah> NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of >> F2F discussion. >> >> <noah> ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30 >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of >> proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 >> due date now 2011-08-30 >> >> <noah> ACTION-523? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) >> build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top >> questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- >> OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> <noah> AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the >> F2F. Discuss where we're going. >> >> <noah> NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft >> product page as input >> >> <noah> AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters >> here. >> >> <noah> NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion >> >> <noah> ACTION-523? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah) >> build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top >> questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 -- >> OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523 >> >> <noah> ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30 >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page >> for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered >> on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30 >> >> <noah> ACTION-574? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review >> [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t >> ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30 >> -- OPEN >> >> [32] >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 >> >> <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 >> >> [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574 >> >> <noah> AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a >> lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action. >> Jonathan? >> >> <noah> JAR: Not swapped in. >> >> <noah> JAR: Ah, host meta. >> >> <noah> JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't >> feel that strongly. >> >> <noah> JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery. >> >> <noah> NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests? >> >> <noah> JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con >> >> <noah> close ACTION-574 >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-574 Review >> [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t >> ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed >> >> [34] >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1 >> >> <noah> ACTION-472? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft >> based on comments& review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 >> >> [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 >> >> <noah> NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the >> work? >> >> <noah> JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure >> next steps. >> >> <noah> NM: Note product page >> [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high >> priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure, >> etc. >> >> [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html >> >> <noah> NM: We WILL discuss at F2F >> >> <noah> ACTION-531? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on >> architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30 >> -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 >> >> [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531 >> >> <noah> NM: Same answer? >> >> <noah> JAR: Yes. >> >> <noah> ACTION-509? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG >> regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due >> 2011-06-15 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 >> >> [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509 >> >> jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present" >> >> <jar> >> [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html >> >> [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html >> >> <noah> From their draft: >> >> <noah> "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with >> fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the >> RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom, >> which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF >> serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities >> described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the >> expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at >> present cover >> >> jar: I suggested 4 options >> >> <noah> HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the >> architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I >> will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have >> taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of >> fragid-related issues. >> >> Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other >> frag-id issue >> >> HT: Cross-reference with product page >> >> <noah> NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date >> and move on? >> >> HT: We should discuss at f2f >> >> <noah> ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15 >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting >> the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15 >> >> <noah> ACTION-478? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of >> a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree >> from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 >> >> [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 >> >> <jar> for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a >> hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future >> work >> >> <noah> JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478 >> >> <noah> Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a >> F2F slot? >> >> Noah: We don't have a product page for this >> >> <noah> NM: Worth doing product page now? >> >> <noah> NM: Could clarify what we're about. >> >> <noah> JAR: Could do at the F2F >> >> Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical >> work >> >> <noah> ACTION-576? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to >> figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially >> in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 >> >> [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576 >> >> <noah> ACTION-541? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a >> first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due >> 2011-07-26 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 >> >> [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541 >> >> <noah> Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541 >> needs time at the F2F >> >> <noah> HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media >> >> Noah: Something that gets published >> >> <noah> Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed >> Recommendation. Does that work? >> >> HT: Educate people about linking >> >> Noah: For the media we need something pithy >> >> <noah> >> [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne >> r >> >> [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner >> >> <noah> ACTION-560? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last >> call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 >> >> [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 >> >> <noah> ACTION-528? >> >> <trackbot> ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus >> on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names >> -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN >> >> <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 >> >> [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528 >> >> <noah> HT: We've talked about 528 >> >> <noah> HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of >> domains) nothing for me at the F2F >> >> HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed >> frag-ids and persistence of identifiers >> >> Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft >> >> Telcons in August >> >> HT: Cannot do telcon next week >> >> Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons >> >> Summary of Action Items >> >> [End of minutes] >> >> >> -- >> All the best, Ashok >> >>
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