- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:54:20 -0400
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>, Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com>
As promised, the agenda at [1] has been revised to reflect new reading
material, and to act on Larry Masinter's request that MIME-related
discussion be moved to end of day Tuesday. We expect that Adam Barth will
be joining us for that session. (I've started it at 3:30 to allow 90 mins;
tentatively Adam is expected around 4PM, but he is welcome to join at 3:30
if he's available). Also: for completeness I kept the reference to a
discussion of an earlier e-mail from Adam; we may or may not actually
discuss that, as the main focus will be on sniffing and on the MIME-draft
that Larry has submitted to the IETF.
Note that there was significant ripple effect from moving the MIME session,
and all three days were affected. Please doublecheck where sessions of
interest to you have landed; that said, I expect we'll do some
reprioritization as we go.
A text-only version of this revised agenda is provided below. Thank you.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[1]W3C | [2]TAG
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
W3C TAG meeting 19-21 October 2010 in Mountain View, CA, USA
Nearby: [3]issues list - [4]findings - [5]www-tag archive - [6]tag
archive - Actions: ([7]open, [8]pending review) [9]logistics
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
[7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Oct/0015.html
Agenda Summary
Tuesday 19 October
Agenda
08:30-9:00 Arrive & Set up. Please have your computers and network
connections set up for a prompt start at 9AM.
09:00-09:30
* [10]Convene, review agenda
09:30-10:30
* [11]Web Applications: Client-side State
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-12:00
* [12]HTML / XML Unification
12:00-13:15 Lunch (75 mins)
13:15-14:45
* [13]Generic Processing of Fragids with Norm Walsh (phone) and
Martin Duerst (in person)]
14:45-15:15
* [14]Administrative issues:
+ Approve [15]minutes of 7 Oct 2010 teleconference
+ Future F2F meetings
+ TAG Election
+ TPAC Logistics
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/07-minutes.html
15:15-15:30 Break (15 mins)
15:30-16:30
* [16]IETF Draft on Mime and the Web
* [17]IRIEverywhere-27: Adam Barth E-mail Review
Wednesday 20 October
Agenda
09:00-10:00
* [18]URNsAndRegistries-50: Domain Name Persistence
10:00-10:30
* [19]Web Application Architecture: Overview
10:30-11:00 Break (30 mins)
11:00-12:15
* [20]Privacy on the Web
12:15-13:30 Lunch (75 mins)
13:30-16:30
* [21]TAG hosts visitors (we may shorten this session depending on
how many visitors join us)
Thursday 21 October
Agenda
09:00-10:00
* [22]metadataArchitecture-63: Metadata Architecture
10:00-10:30
* [23]IRIEverywhere-27: Status update on issue IRIEverywhere and
IRIbis work at IETF
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-noon
* [24]HttpRedirections-57: Redirecting to a secondary resource
noon-13:30 Lunch (90 mins)
13:30-14:15
* [25]Web Application Architecture: Design of APIs for Web
Applications
14:15-15:00
* TBD
15:30-15:30 break (30 minutes)
15:30-17:00
* [26]Action item review
* Any other business
Logistics
Venue
Google
Mountain View, CA, USA (further details to be provided)
See [27]logistics for further details.
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Oct/0015.html
Preparation
See "(required reading)" annotations in agenda items below.
Agenda Details
1. Convene, review agenda
+ Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up by email in
advance of the meeting
+ Roll call
+ F2F Main Goals:
o Make progress on writing related to Web Application
Architecture
o XML / HTML integration
o Other technical topics
2. [28]ISSUE-66 (mimeAndWeb-66-27): IETF Draft on MIME and the Web
+ Warning: Larry may update the draft prior to the F2F
+ Goal:
o Review draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00 [29]Internet
Media Types and the Web (Required reading)
+ Background:
o [30]ACTION-467: on - Larry Masinter - Revise Mime &
Web blog entry, perhaps leading to Internet Draft -
Due: 2010-09-21 - CLOSED
o [31]ACTION-458: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate
with IETF on MIME-type related activities - Due:
2010-09-28 - PENDING REVIEW
o Larry writes: I've submitted the document to Internet
Drafts - - it should show up at
[32]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web
-info-00
o [33]Previous version (blog posting).
o During [34]discussion on 23 Sept. 2010 it was agreed
that TAG members would read
[35]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web
-info-00 and be prepared for detailed discussion
today.
o [36]Discussion on 30 Sept. 2010
o [37]Comments from Eric Bowman
3. [38]ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54): HTML / XML Unification
+ Goals:
o Review June 2010 TAG decision to endorse task to drive
reunification of XML and HTML
o Work with Tim to decide most effective next steps on
his [39]ACTION-437
+ Background:
o [40]Note from T.V. Raman
o [41]ACTION-433: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Help Tim get in
touch with staff etc. re XML/HTML unification - Due:
2010-05-28 - CLOSED
o [42]ACTION-427: on - John Kemp - Read 4 distributed
extensibility proposals and summarize them w.r.t.
proposals TAG has discussed to date - Due: 2010-11-01
- CLOSED
o [43]ACTION-437: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Create a task
force on XML / HTML convergence - Due: 2010-06-14 -
OPEN
o Discussion on 7 June 2010 F2F: [44]"TAG recommends the
formation of a task force to drive the reunification
of XML and HTML"
o [45]HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guidelines
(draft from HTML WG)
o [46]September/October 2010 HMTL WG poll on distributed
extensibility
o [47]TAG endorses "like SVG" extension mechanism for
HTML5
4. [48]ISSUE-39 (rdfURIMeaning-39-27): Generic Fragment ID
Processing
+ The TAG developed a [49]change proposal for RFC 3023bis at
the June TAG 2010 F2F (London). Several commentators
expressed concern with the TAG's proposal, and we
[50]promised to take up these concerns in Sept.. We had
some [51]discussion on 16 Sept. 2010, but that was not
conclusive.
+ Earlier actions:
o [52]ACTION-449: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment
IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned)
- Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
o [53]ACTION-450: on - Yves Lafon - Investigate generic
processing of svg+xml and XHTML+xml - Due: 2010-07-01
- CLOSED
o [54]ACTION-453: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Let 3023bis
folks know that we are aiming to resolve generic
processing concerns in Sept, after Larry returns. -
Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
+ Earlier technical discussion:
o [55]Concerns expressed by Norm Walsh and others
regarding [56]TAG Proposal on Generic processing of
Fragment IDs for +xml formats
o [57]Discussion on 24 June 2010, [58]discussion on 15
July, [59]19 August 2010, and [60]16 September 2010.
o [61]Email from Larry Masinter and thread following
from that
o Email: [62]fragment processing for SVG, from Yves
Lafon.
o [63]Discussion on 30 September 2010
+ [64]ACTION-466: on - Larry Masinter - Ask Norm, Roy and
Martin for concrete use cases where generic processing of
fragment ids is important - Due: 2010-10-12 - OPEN
+ Larry sent a [65]message to Norm Walsh, Roy Fielding and
Martin Durst, et. al.; [66]response from Norm Walsh and
thread following from that (required reading)
+ Email from Ivan Herman clarifying that there appears to be
[67]no XML Schema [or DTD] for RDF/XML that has formal
standing
5. [68]ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Adam Barth E-mail Review
+ Goal:
o Discuss [69]Adam Barth email "Change proposal for
(HTML WG) ISSUE - 56"
+ Background:
o [70]ACTION-448: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Ju
n/0394.html on 26 August (followup to 24 June and 12
August discussion) - Due: 2010-10-12 - PENDING REVIEW
o Previous discussion [71]on 24 June 2010, [72]12 August
2010, and [73]2 September 2010
6. Privacy on the Web
+ Goals:
o Consider implications of recent developments relating
to Web privacy and HTML5
o Consider [74]TAG involvement or input to upcoming
privacy workshop
o Consider TAG Finding on Privacy
+ Background:
o Required reading: [75]Email thread on "Evercookies"
o Additional reading: New York Times Article [76]New Web
Code Draws Concern Over Privacy Risks (registration
required)
o [77]ACTION-460: on - Daniel Appelquist - Coordinate
with IAB regarding next steps on privacy policy - Due:
2010-10-12 - OPEN
o [78]ACTION-470: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Ask Thomas
about TAG involvement in privacy workshop - Due:
2010-09-30 - CLOSED ([79]Email from Noah to Thomas
Roessler
7. [80]ISSUE-63 (metadataArchitecture-63): Metadata Architecture
+ Goals:
o Discuss new writing on metadata (to be supplied)
o Consider next steps on metadata
+ Background:
o Required reading: items listed in [81]Larry Masinter's
suggested list of readings on metadata
o [82]ACTION-282: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a finding
on metadata architecture. - Due: 2010-10-21 - OPEN
o [83]Telcon discussion on 16 September 2010 (note that
F2F discussion is requested
8. [84]Web Application Architecture: Overview
+ Goals:
o Make a clearer plan for the content, form, and
expected publication date of TAG deliverables relating
to Web Applications
+ Background:
o [85]ACTION-434: on - Daniel Appelquist - Prepare
discussion of structure of what we want to do about
web apps architecture... - Due: 2010-10-18 - OPEN
o May 2010 notes from DanA on ACTION-434: [86]Web
Application Architecture (these were prepared for the
June 2010 F2F
o Email thread beginning with: [87]Re: ACTION-434: Some
notes on organizing discussion on WebApps architecture
o Email from Larry Masinter: [88]progress on web
applications architecture: a few thoughts
9. [89]Web Application Architecture: Client-side state
+ Goals:
o Review and refine Ashok Malhotra's writeup on
client-side state
o Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on
issues relating to client side state (note that the
discussion of privacy and Evercookies is related, but
the "state" discussion is broader than just privacy
concerns)
+ Background:
o Required readding: [90]Client-side Storage by Ashok
Malhotra ([91]announcement of draft availability)
o [92]ACTION-430: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose a plan
for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state
- Due: 2010-09-09 - OPEN
10. [93]Web Application Architecture: Design of APIs for Web
Applications
+ Goals:
o Review and refine Dan Appelquists' writeup on API
design
o Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on
Design of APIs for Web Applications
+ Background:
o Required reading: Dan Appelquist writeup on API Design
- To Be Supplied
o [94]ACTION-461: on - Daniel Appelquist - Draft
"finding" on Web Apps API design - Due: 2010-10-31 -
OPEN
11. [95]ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Domain name persistence
+ Goals:
o Review [96]Persistent Reference on the Web, by
Jonathan Rees 13 October 2010
o Decide next steps, if any, for TAG work on hyperlink
persistence
+ Background:
o Required reading: [97]Persistent Reference on the Web,
by Jonathan Rees 13 October 2010
o [98]ACTION-444: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a white
paper on link persistence - Due: 2010-10-11 - OPEN
o [99]ACTION-414: on - Henry S. Thompson - Prepare a
draft agenda, including goals and means, for a
proposed afternoon session with invited guests, and
circulate for discussion prior to a decision, on the
subject of addressing the persistence of domain names
- Due: 2010-06-01 - CLOSED
o [100]June 2010 F2F discussion of domain name
persistence
12. [101]ISSUE-57 (HttpRedirections-57): Redirecting to a secondary
resource
+ Goals:
o Decide what the "right answer" is when A#B is
redirected to C#D
o Decide what the TAG should do to promote good practice
regarding such redirections
+ Background:
o [102]ACTION-462: on - Yves Lafon - Write draft of best
practices on redirection for secondary resources (with
help from Tim) - Due: 2010-10-05 - PENDING REVIEW
o Required reading: [103]Email from Yves Lafon on
redirection of secondary resources and thread
following from that.
o [104]ACTION-456: on - Yves Lafon - Locate past HTTP WG
discussion on Location: A#B change, and make the TAG
aware of it - Due: 2010-08-17 - CLOSED
o Email from Yves: [105]Fragments in HTTP redirects
o [106]Technical discussion on 12 August, and [107]2
September 2010
13. [108]ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Status update on issue
IRIEverywhere and IRIbis work at IETF
+ Goals:
o On 2 Sept. 2010, Henry Thompson [109]requested a F2F
update on IRI
+ Background:
o [110]ACTION-459: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule F2F
discussion of IRIbis status and Larry's proposal -
Due: 2010-10-05 - OPEN
o [111]ACTION-410: on - Larry Masinter - Let the TAG
know whether and when the IRIEverywhere plan in HTML
WG went as planned - Due: 2010-11-01 - OPEN
14. TAG Hosts Visitors:
+ We will hold discussions with several visitors who are
working on technologies of particular interest to the TAG.
15. Administrative issues:
+ Approve [112]minutes of 7 Oct 2010 teleconference
+ TAG election
+ Future TAG F2F meetings
o Decide Winter TAG F2F location and dates
o Plan for Lyon TPAC participation
16. Action item review:
+ [113]Pending review actions in [114]Tracker
+ [115]Overdue actions in [116]Tracker
+ [117]Open actions in [118]Tracker
_________________________________________________________
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/66
[29] http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00.html
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/467
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/458
[32] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00
[33] http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/06/mime-and-web.html
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/23-minutes#item05
[35] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/30-minutes.html#item05
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0004.html
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
[39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437
[40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/WebApps.html
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/433
[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/427
[43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437
[44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[45]
http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/html-xhtml-authoring-guide.html
[46] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-41-objection-poll/results
[47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0034.html
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/39
[49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0125.html
[50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0003.html
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes#item06
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/449
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/450
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/453
[55] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0128.html
[56] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0125.html
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/24-minutes#item03
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/07/15-tagmem-minutes#item04
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/19-minutes#item06
[60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes#item06
[61] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0034.html
[62] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0015.html
[63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/30-minutes.html#item08
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/466
[65] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Sep/0044.html
[66] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0006.html
[67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0046.html
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27
[69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/448
[71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/24-minutes#item02
[72] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/12-minutes#item04
[73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item00
[74] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Sep/0050.html
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Sep/0038.html
[76] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/business/media/11privacy.html
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/460
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/470
[79] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Sep/0050.html
[80] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/63
[81] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0065.html
[82] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/282
[83] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes.html#item05
[84] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[85] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/434
[86] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/web-apps-notes.html
[87] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0061.html
[88] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0030.html
[89] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[90] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/ClientSideStorage.html
[91] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0001.html
[92] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/430
[93] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[94] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/461
[95] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[96] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/persistent-reference/
[97] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/persistent-reference/
[98] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/444
[99] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/414
[100] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/07-minutes.html#item04
[101] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[102] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/462
[103] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0003.html
[104] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/456
[105] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0014.html
[106] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/12-minutes#item06
[107] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item03
[108] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27
[109] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item00
[110] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/459
[111] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/410
[112] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/07-minutes.html
[113] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[114] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[115] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue
[116] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[117] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[118] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
Noah Mendelsohn for the TAG
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