- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:34:40 -0400
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
- CC: "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
I believe that our scribe for 22 April, Henry Thompson, has been quite busy this week, so I've taken a pass at formatting the minutes from that call. They are available at [1], and in text-only form below, and they will be on the agenda for approval during this weeks's call. Thank you. Noah [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/22-minutes [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - TAG telcon 22 Apr 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/22-agenda.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-tagmem-irc Attendees Present Dan Appelquist, Dan Connolly, Ashok Malhotra, Noah Mendelsohn, Henry Thompson Regrets Tim Berners-Lee (partial), Larry Masinter, T.V. Raman, Jonathan Rees Chair Noah Mendelsohn Scribe Henry S. Thompson Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Convene 2. [6]London local arrangements 3. [7]Overdue action items 4. [8]ACTION-407: HTML WG and media type registration 5. [9]ACTION-354 Client-side storage 6. [10]WebApps document strategy 7. [11]ACTION-392 RDFa and client-side storage 8. [12]ACTION-401 ask for review of webapp taxonomy 9. [13]ISSUE-24 (contentTypeOverride-24): Mobile Web "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" 10. [14]Review of PENDING REVIEW Action Items * [15]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Convene <DanC> scribenick: DanC NM: reminder next week is cancelled; next telcon is 6 May <ht> HST: Regrets for 6 May NM: DanC, can you scribe 6 May? DanC: I think so... will check in detail <ht> NM: Minutes from 15 April. . . <DKA> My belated regrets for last week. <DKA> I am playing the volcano card. DanC: +1 approve [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/15-minutes.html [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/15-minutes.html <scribe> scribenick: ht NM: Minutes for 15 April approved RESOLUTION: Minutes for 15 April approved London local arrangements <johnk__> not sure I can attend even the meeting yet (Note: JK subsequently sent regrets) DKA: I sent email to tag mailing list with local arrangements details Overdue action items <noah> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue NM: Having the due dates so out of sync with reality makes life hard for the chair in planning, please fix this. <noah> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne r [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner <DanC> action-390? <trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-03-17 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390 [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390 DKA: I need to review this, keep it open, likewise for my others. <DanC> action-390 due next week <trackbot> ACTION-390 Review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 due date now next week action-408? <trackbot> ACTION-408 -- Daniel Appelquist to look into next steps on a workshop around device APIs, privacy etc. with tlr -- due 2010-03-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/408 [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/408 DKA: This is done, I've been working on a workshop, draft call for participation ... link coming <DanC> sounds done-done to me. NM: Thanks DKA, that's done close action-408 <trackbot> ACTION-408 Look into next steps on a workshop around device APIs, privacy etc. with tlr closed scribe: vodafone will host in same week as DAP f2f -- 12/13 July NM: Any other TAG members to attend? . . . [none] <DanC> ACTION-420 due next week <trackbot> ACTION-420 What is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) due date now next week <DanC> (I interpret "keep this open" as "due next week" by default) <DanC> ACTION-116 due + 8 weeks <trackbot> ACTION-116 Align the tabulator internal vocabulary with the vocabulary in the rules [21]http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules,getting changes to either as needed. due date now + 8 weeks [21] http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules <johnk> ACTION-399? <trackbot> ACTION-399 -- John Kemp to prepare F2F discussion of sniffing, being sure to check status of other pertinent actions -- due 2010-03-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/399 [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/399 close action-399 <trackbot> ACTION-399 Prepare F2F discussion of sniffing, being sure to check status of other pertinent actions closed action-340? <trackbot> ACTION-340 -- John Kemp to review XHR and UMP together and provide comments to TAG as relevant -- due 2010-03-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/340 [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/340 <DanC> (going on on which list?) NM: JK to prepare a discussion for the May 6 call <DanC> action-340? <trackbot> ACTION-340 -- John Kemp to summarize recent discussion around XHR and UMP -- due 2010-05-04 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/340 [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/340 close action-215 <trackbot> ACTION-215 Send minutes of 15 Apr TAG teleconference to www-tag for review closed <DanC> action-384: most recent msg seems to be [25]http://www.w3.org/mid/E345E885-AC39-4E16-B8B3-982513A303A2@jkemp .net 22 Mar [25] http://www.w3.org/mid/E345E885-AC39-4E16-B8B3-982513A303A2@jkemp.net <trackbot> ACTION-384 CVS usage edits notes added <DKA> FYI this is the CfP for the privacy workshop (reference ACTION-408): [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ [26] http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ <DanC> action-408: CFP (draft?) is [27]http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ [27] http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ <trackbot> ACTION-408 Look into next steps on a workshop around device APIs, privacy etc. with tlr notes added action-401? <trackbot> ACTION-401 -- Ashok Malhotra to ask WebApps working group to review John Kemp's taxonomy -- due 2010-03-18 -- OPEN <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 AM: One reply came back action-401 pending review <DanC> action-401? <trackbot> ACTION-401 -- Ashok Malhotra to ask WebApps working group to review John Kemp's taxonomy -- due 2010-03-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 <johnk> this is the email I sent with the CVS diff of edits related to ACTION-384 [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Mar/0054.html [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Mar/0054.html <DanC> action-213 due 4 May <trackbot> ACTION-213 Prepare 22 Apr weekly teleconference agenda due date now 4 May <DanC> action-370? <trackbot> ACTION-370 -- Henry S. Thompson to hST to send a revised-as-amended version of [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG -- due 2010-04-08 -- OPEN [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370 [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/370 <DanC> action-370 due +2 weeks <trackbot> ACTION-370 HST to send a revised-as-amended version of [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html to the HTTP bis list on behalf of the TAG due date now +2 weeks [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0068.html NM: HST to catch up/roll forward his behind-actions ASAP ACTION-407: HTML WG and media type registration NM: Did you close this last week by mistake? (Tim Berners-Lee joins the call) <DanC> action-407? <trackbot> ACTION-407 -- Henry S. Thompson to propose an update to DanC's prose from [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0878.htm l to explicitly reference or encorporate the HTML history, similarly to the way 2854 does -- due 2010-04-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0878.html <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/407 [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/407 HST: Let's reopen it and keep it PENDING REVIEW ... So there have been several replies to my email [link coming] <noah> Please paste link to public-html thread <DanC> [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/thread.h tml#msg1052 [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/thread.html#msg1052 <DanC> works for me: "Labeling a <DanC> resource with the text/html type asserts that the resource is <DanC> to be interpreted as an HTML document using the HTML syntax, and <DanC> that it conforms either to this specification or to an earlier <DanC> HTML specification. <DanC> " <DanC> (no conformance claim? that seems silly to me) <scribe> scribenick: noah HT: Serving as text/html makes >no< conformance claims...it just says, use this spec DC: That's not a conformance claim? HT: No. I took it that the wording we carefully agreed had the intent "use this spec"; whether you think there's an implicit claim of conformance...well, we didn't say that. <DanC> action-407: hst plans to reply on his own behalf to the thread [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/thread.h tml#msg1052 and leave it to the group to decide in due course [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/thread.html#msg1052 <trackbot> ACTION-407 Propose an update to DanC's prose from [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0878.htm l to explicitly reference or encorporate the HTML history, similarly to the way 2854 does notes added [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0878.html <ht> scribenick: ht ACTION-354 Client-side storage AM: WebApps WG is publishing a number of specs ... We have agreed to look at the motivation -- what's behind them ... The WAWG have a model of how that world is going to evolve ... but it's not completely spelled out ... Two requirements: 1) You should be able to 'run' a WebApp offline; ... 2) You should be able to run a WebApp with data from more than ... So they have a spec. callled "Programmable Caching", which lets you bring in data from multiple websites, cache it, purge it, use it, etc. ... which is quite well-motivated. ... The other spec. we talked about and I have looked at are two database specs: Light Database and ?? Database ... These seem less well-motivated ... I asked Ian Hickson why they were doing these specs <DanC> (sorry, I can't pin down the 2 DB specs among the blizzard on [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus ) [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus AM: Ian replied it was a replacement for cookies <Ashok> "Cookies are unreliable, sent to the server, have a small quota, and have a terrible API. Web Storage is intended to fix that." NM: I understand the cookie overlap ... but when I see these database things, I think -- cookies for identifying me to gmail, but databases to actually _store_ my email ... which seems to go a lot further AM: Right, that's the offline operation side of things NM: The other thing about cookies is their special status wrt HTTP and client-server interaction <DanC> (did anybody take the ball for writing about this stuff? darn; we didn't scribble names into [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/webappsoutline.html ; gotta look back over [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item03 ) [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/webappsoutline.html [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item03 AM: These specs are very high-functionality, with a lot of standard DB transactional stuff including commit and rollback <DanC> (ah... "AM: I'll contribute on section 5, app state") AM: Summarizing: replace cookies, offline storage enabling offline execution; data from multiple websites WebApps document strategy NM: At the f2f, we agreed to try to find people to pick up bits of the outline we produced ... and start writing at least a summary of the state of play, as in TV's [#-in-URI] ... So in particular, AM, are you willing to go on the list against section 5: Application State AM: Yes <scribe> ACTION: Ashok to propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-tagmem-irc] [42] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-tagmem-irc <trackbot> Created ACTION-430 - Propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2010-04-29]. <DanC> action-xxx due +4 weeks action-409 due +1 week <trackbot> ACTION-409 Run Larry's plan for closing IRIEverywhere by the XML Core WG due date now +1 week action-430 due +1 week <trackbot> ACTION-430 Propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state due date now +1 week DC: TBL, when did you write the Tabulator? TBL: Three years ago, maybe? DC: I wonder if it might be worth trying to get from you what you learned from that exercise ... about security, storage, . . . ... Maybe via an interview? TBL: About . . . DC: Javascript, security limitations <noah> I'm curious what the result of the interview would be: a) input to the TAG work b) magazine article c) ??? TBL: Started out as a webapp, turned into a local app == a firefox extension, because that got it inside the trust envelop ... You should talk to James Hollenbach <jambo@csail.mit.edu> about this, he's been taking it forward ... using CORS <DanC> [43]http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/people/Overview.html Jim Hollenbach [43] http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/people/Overview.html <timbl_> <[44]http://web.mit.edu/jambo/www/foaf.rdf#jambo> [44] http://web.mit.edu/jambo/www/foaf.rdf#jambo> NM: So if we did such an interview, would it be as an input to our thinking about WebAppArchitecture, or as a publication in its own right? DC: more the latter, see the series Ian Jacobs has been doing NM: Next steps? DC: I found out what I wanted to. . . <DanC> pointer, ashok? AM: We did get one reply to our request to review our webapps taxonomy <DanC> action-401? <trackbot> ACTION-401 -- Ashok Malhotra to ask WebApps working group to review John Kemp's taxonomy -- due 2010-03-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/401 <Ashok> [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Mar/0072.html [46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Mar/0072.html <DanC> close action-354 <trackbot> ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about closed NM: [we'll come to that under next+1 agendum] close ACTION-354 <trackbot> ACTION-354 Review client side storage apis (web simple storage etc.), looking for architectural issues or other critical problems... or interesting design features the TAG should know about closed ACTION-392 RDFa and client-side storage <noah> DC: looked at Zotoro? tool, and saw they were using Tabulator as data store ACTION-392? <trackbot> ACTION-392 -- Dan Connolly to look into using new client side storage APIs as an RDFa or tabulator data store -- due 2010-03-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/392 [47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/392 DC: So I thought there was a connection, and I sent email ... but the reply was not positive [48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Feb/0152.html [48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Feb/0152.html DC: TBL, are the client-side storage APIs any use for storing triples? TBL: Some kind of RDF API standardisation is probably needed -- RDF is 10 years old, maybe an XG, we need to move on this <DanC> close action-392 <trackbot> ACTION-392 Look into using new client side storage APIs as an RDFa or tabulator data store closed close ACTION-392 <trackbot> ACTION-392 Look into using new client side storage APIs as an RDFa or tabulator data store closed ACTION-401 ask for review of webapp taxonomy <noah> Email from Ashok to Web Apps <noah> Response: [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Mar/0072.html [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Mar/0072.html JK: I understand the poster's concern about my use of the word 'trust', but I think it was OK in the narrow sense I used it, ... but I also agree that the larger issue has not been completely covered <DanC> (this widget stuff is crossing various sorts of finish lines; e.g. [50]http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-widgets-access-20100420/ Widget Access Request Policy ) [50] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-widgets-access-20100420/ AM: So yes, he's asking for more detail on something which was just a bullet point <noah> Dan, do you think we need to do anything on that? HST: But it doesn't compromise the taxonomy? AM: Right, it does not. close ACTION-401 <trackbot> ACTION-401 Ask WebApps working group to review John Kemp's taxonomy DC: Does this connect with our outline and writing? <DanC> stuck it where? pointer? AM: I took comments from the email and added them to the WebApps outline under point 1 Architecture DC: Where? <Ashok> [51]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html [51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html <DanC> [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html [52] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html <DanC> action-401: note [53]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html [53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html <trackbot> ACTION-401 Ask WebApps working group to review John Kemp's taxonomy notes added <DanC> action-352? <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352 [54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352 <Ashok> I cannot cahnge the access right -- needs team priviledges <noah> John, should we close 352 <DanC> john, NM thinks maybe it's just an admin error that 352 isn't closed <noah> should we have closed it at the F2F? <johnk__> I did ACTION-352, but, at the F2F we decided to keep the action open <DanC> scribenick: DanC <johnk__> as a placeholder for me to do more work on it <johnk__> in the WebApps subject ok <noah> OK, with what due date and what next goals, please? <noah> Anyway, please update as you see fit. We'll move on if you can't get back on the phone. <johnk__> ACTION-352? <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352 [55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352 action-352 due +2 weeks <trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications due date now +2 weeks <johnk__> hmm, OK, so, I'll change the due date and add relevant notes thanks. <DKA> action-376? <trackbot> ACTION-376 -- Daniel Appelquist to send to www-tag a pointer to and brief summary of Mobile Web Best Practices working group's "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" and its implications for content sniffing: [56]http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ -- due 2010-03-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW [56] http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ <trackbot> [57]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/376 [57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/376 <johnk__> but I'm staying on IRC ISSUE-24 (contentTypeOverride-24): Mobile Web "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" <noah> [58]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Feb/0171.html [58] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Feb/0171.html <noah> DC: I looked and was curious whether the guidelines should cite IETF work. DKA: yes, this is done <noah> DKA: Yes, I had a discussion with XXX and Larry, and the net was that Larry was satisfied that the correct material was ref'd DKA: yes, we finished that discussion with Larry about citing the IETF material close ACTION-376 <trackbot> ACTION-376 Send to www-tag a pointer to and brief summary of Mobile Web Best Practices working group's "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" and its implications for content sniffing: [59]http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ closed [59] http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ <noah> DC: OK, Larry can come back if he still has a problem <noah> close ACTION-376 <trackbot> ACTION-376 Send to www-tag a pointer to and brief summary of Mobile Web Best Practices working group's "Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies" and its implications for content sniffing: [60]http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ closed [60] http://www.w3.org/TR/ct-guidelines/ Review of PENDING REVIEW Action Items <noah> [61]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview [61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview <noah> [62]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/322 - Ask for W3C resources on writing on hyperlinking [62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/322 NM: so next time for this one? DC: yes action-353? <trackbot> ACTION-353 -- Noah Mendelsohn to do just a bit of work framing some issues around identification for Ajax apps (remembering the merged maps use case) -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [63]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/353 [63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/353 <noah> close ACTION-353 <trackbot> ACTION-353 Do just a bit of work framing some issues around identification for Ajax apps (remembering the merged maps use case) closed NM: I think we did this at the ftf; Raman is following up DanC: re 379... it's certainly published... but oh yeah... we weren't sure if we should follow up re lack of schemas action-384? <trackbot> ACTION-384 -- Noah Mendelsohn to CVS usage edits -- due 2010-03-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [64]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/384 [64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/384 action-384? <trackbot> ACTION-384 -- Noah Mendelsohn to cVS usage edits -- due 2010-05-11 <trackbot> [65]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/384 [65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/384 NM: yes, 407 and 424 are properly pending <noah> HENRY ===> PLEASE REMOVE URI FOR PRIVACY CFP FROM PUBLISHED MINUTES ADJOURN s,FYI this is the CfP for the privacy workshop (reference ACTION-408): [66]http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/,, [66] http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ s,action-408: CFP (draft?) is [67]http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/,, [67] http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/ <timbl> Couldn't fd any evidence for Royal Mail saying you couldn't link to "We constantly change and update sections of our site, and want to ensure that you and your customers continue to get the latest information and services you need. Therefore, please donāt provide links to pages on our website other than those listed above." -- [68]http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=28000674&media Id=28100668 [68] http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=28000674&mediaId=28100668 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ashok to propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state [recorded in [69]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-tagmem-irc] [69] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-tagmem-irc [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [70]scribe.perl version 1.134 ([71]CVS log) $Date: 2010/05/02 23:31:38 $ [70] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [71] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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