RE: Draft minutes for TAG telcon of 2009-01-29

Paul Cotton wrote:

> But I do want to encourage you to continue sending at least a 
> text version 
> of the final minutes to www-tag@w3.org so that the "contents" of the 
> minutes are easily searchable via the W3C email archive search tools [1] 

> AND in recipients individual email archives on their personal machines. 

I responded:

> OK, good suggestion.

But, on reflection, I'm pretty sure that we have not in recent years 
emailed the text of minutes.  We have emailed the text of agendas, and it 
is my intention to continue that practice.  It is also the case that some 
members (the merits of this seem to cause a lot of debate) have 
distributed minutes by attaching the HTML form to an email, but as far as 
I know that doesn't render them searchable anyway (or does the search 
engine look through HTML attachement content - I know tracker doesn't). 
Anyway, please clarify Paul:  is there a TAG tradition of emailing minutes 
in text from that I've somehow missed and that you want me to continue, or 
do you think members will want the full text of minutes in their inboxes 
(especially F2F minutes are quite long.   Would we send all this to 
www-tag or to some new mailing list.

My personal preference as incoming chait would be to continue the 
commitment to email agendas in text form, and to he sure that an HTML 
document with the minutes by available on the Web in a predictable place 
(I've recommended 2001/tag/year/mm/dd-minutes, which is my strong 
preference).   that said, it's a minor additional burden, but I don't 
object to also mailing the minutes in text form, either to www-archive, or 
to some mailing list that would be set up for the purpose, probably 
accompanied by a link to the reference HTML copy (which is what should be 
linked when people refer to the minutes in other documents.)  As chair, I 
am willing to undertake the adminstrative burden of doing that if it's of 
value, but I don't want to commit future chairs.   I also think it's a 
change to, not a continuation of, existing practice.   In anycase, what's 
most important to me is that the reference copy of the minutes should be 
HTML and should be at a stable place, and as chair I find the URI above by 
far the most convenient.

Paul, what's the minimum that would make you happy, and what do you think 
is best?  Thank you.

Noah

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Noah Mendelsohn 
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Noah Mendelsohn
02/02/2009 03:00 PM

        To:     Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
        cc:     "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>, "www-tag@w3.org" 
<www-tag@w3.org>
        Subject:        RE: Draft minutes for TAG telcon of 2009-01-29


OK, good suggestion.  We obviously need to establish a bit of agreement 
among members of the newly constituted TAG as to how we want to do these 
things, but this suggestion makes a lot of sense to me.

Noah

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Noah Mendelsohn 
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
02/02/2009 02:38 PM
 
        To:     "noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com" <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>, 

"Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
        cc:     "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
        Subject:        RE: Draft minutes for TAG telcon of 2009-01-29


> I know there has been some disagreement on conventions for where minutes
should live, and in particular whether they should be in date space or
just email archives.

I personally don't care of the TAG stores a copy of their minutes in "date 

space".

But I do want to encourage you to continue sending at least a text version 

of the final minutes to www-tag@w3.org so that the "contents" of the 
minutes are easily searchable via the W3C email archive search tools [1] 
AND in recipients individual email archives on their personal machines. 

/paulc

[1] http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329


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Subject: Re: Draft minutes for TAG telcon of 2009-01-29


Henry,

I know there has been some disagreement on conventions for where minutes
should live, and in particular whether they should be in date space or
just email archives.  My preference is date space (Dan, we can discuss),
but in particular >if< minutes are in date space I'd like to suggest we do
it consistently, and I suggest
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/yyyy/mm/dd-minutes.  Accordingly, I've taken
the liberty of copying your draft to [1], and I expect that we will update
(if necessary) and vote on approving that copy on our telcon of 5
February.   Having these in a consistent place and with consistent naming
will be helpful to me, and if any of you have problems with checkin I will
be glad to help you do it, or better yet, to help you get the access you
need.  As I say, having done some work to come up to speed and organize
things for chairing, this convention will work best for me, but if it's
worth discussing we can.  Thank you.

Noah (as TAG chair)

[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/01/29-minutes


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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson)
Sent by: www-tag-request@w3.org
01/30/2009 06:33 AM

        To:     www-tag@w3.org
        cc:     (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM)
        Subject:        Draft minutes for TAG telcon of 2009-01-29



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