- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:49:47 -0500
- To: www-tag@w3.org
The assignment of time slots for the TAG F2F agenda at [1,2] has been
re-arranged, in part to put things in a more coherent order, but primarily
to account for the availability of folks like Raman who will, I presume,
be dialing in mainly for the afternoon sessions. Accordingly, I've tried
to put issues relating to Web Application architecture, and at least some
of the HTML discussions, in the afternoon slots. As Dan has suggested, we
may rearrange again during the meeting. Thank you.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/12/08-agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Noah Mendelsohn
12/02/2009 04:07 PM
To: www-tag@w3.org
cc:
Subject: Agenda and required reading for the 8-10 December
2009 TAG F2F
The agenda for next week's TAG F2F meeting is now available at [1], and is
attached in text form below. My sincere thanks to Dan Connolly, who did
the bulk of the work that went into preparing this. A few notes on this
agenda:
* TAG members are asked to read in advance of the F2F items marked
(required reading) in the agenda
* We will hold a brief teleconference tomorrow, the primary goal of which
will be to identify any necessary corrections to the F2F agenda, and to
ensure that we'll be prepared for productive discussion of the various
items. So: I would be very grateful if TAG members would review the
agenda at [1] in advance of tomorrow's call, paying particular attention
to items with which they are directly involved.
* The format and style of this agenda is somewhat different from what
we've used recently. It focuses almost entirely on and is mostly
organized according to action items from tracker. Dan has for some time
been interested in using this approach, and since he did the bulk of the
work on the agenda, I thought this would be a good time to give it a try.
I'd be very interested in hearing from TAG members, both in advance and
during or after the meetings, your thoughts on pros and cons. One thing
it does do is to put extra burden on us to identify and open actions for
any new work that the TAG should be starting to consider, as there are
fewer slots in the agenda for "top-down" brainstorming. (That said, we do
have two slots each on our big themes, Web Application Architecture and
Metadata, so those should be well covered. If there are things we're
missing missing in other areas be sure to alert me.)
Thank you.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/12/08-agenda
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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[1]W3C | [2]TAG
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
W3C TAG meeting, 8-10 December 2009 Cambridge, MA, USA
Nearby: [3]issues list - [4]findings - [5]www-tag archive - [6]tag
archive - Actions: ([7]open, [8]pending review) - [9]logistics
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
[7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[9]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/09-f2f-local-arrangements.html
Agenda Summary
Tue 8 Dec
Agenda
08:00-9:00 Arrive & Set up
The [10]meeting room will be available. Please have your computers
and network connections set up for a prompt start at 9AM.
09:00-10:30
* [11]Convene, review agenda
* [12]Metadata Architecture: Uniform Access to Metadata
* [13]Web Application Architecture: Security
[10]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/12/12-f2f-local-arrangements.html#room
10:30-10:45 Break
10:45-12:00
* [14]Web Application Architecture
12:00-13:15 Lunch
13:15-14:45
* [15]Metadata Architecture: Metadata Architecture for the Web
14:45-15:00 Break
15:00-17:00
* [16]Metadata Architecture (HTTP Semantics): The use of HTTP
Redirection
* [17](genericResources-53): Generic resources
* [18]HTML 5 review: (contentTypeOverride-24): Can a specification
include rules for overriding HTTPcontent type parameters?
* [19]HTML 5 review: (errorHandling-20): What should
specifications say about error handling?
Wed 9 Dec
Agenda
09:00-10:30
* [20]HTML 5 review: (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33): Composability for
user interface-oriented XML namespaces
* [21]HTML 5 review: (TagSoupIntegration-54): Tag soup integration
10:30-10:45 Break
10:45-12:00
* [22]Web Application Architecture (cont)
12:00-13:15 Lunch
13:15-14:45
* [23]Metadata Architecture (cont)
14:45-15:00 Break (15 mins)
15:00-17:00
* Overflow topics TBD
Thu 10 Dec
Agenda
09:00-10:30
* Overflow topics TBD
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-12:00
* [24]HTML 5 review: References to versioned specs etc.
* [25]HTML 5 review: misc.
12:00-13:15 Lunch (75 mins)
13:15-14:45
* [26](URNsAndRegistries-50): URIs, URNs, "location independent"
naming systems and associated registries for naming on the Web
* [27](xmlFunctions-34): XML Transformation and composability
(e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption)
* [28]Admin
14:45-15:00 break
15:00-17:00
* Overflow topics TBD
Logistics
Venue
MIT, Stata Center
32 Vassar Street
Cambidge, MA 02139
See [29]logistics for further details.
[29]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/12/12-f2f-local-arrangements.html
Preparation
References are provided throughout the agenda details below.
Required reading in preparation for this meeting is marked as
required reading.
Agenda Details
This agenda doesn't have a crisp list of required reading; some
drafts/messages of note are linked directly, but in some cases the
path is indirect via a tracker action page. Perhaps this will get
better 1 Dec when a number of actions for this meeting are due, but
we make no guarantees.
record keeping note: we recently introduced tracker [30]products for
the themes established at the June meeting in Cambridge: web
applications, metadata, html 5 review.
1. Convene, review agenda
+ [31]ACTION-330 on Dan Connolly: Prepare Dec f2f agenda in
collaboration with Noah etc. - pending review
o Goal: establish success critera for work on [32]Web
Application Architecture
# form of the work?
# results more than the sum of the parts?
# AWWW Vol 2 and/or updates to Vol 1?
# [33]TOC/outline (required reading)
o Goal: clarify our interest in [34]metadata
o Suggestion: collaborative agenda management using
[35]Zakim's agenda tracking:
1. Dan seeds the list for the day from the agenda
prepared by the chair
2. Participants use "agenda + ..." to make agenda
requests; e.g.
@ refinements of broad topics
@ things you want to get back to in this
session (i.e. before a break)
@ things you want to get back to today
@ things you want to get back to before the
meeting ends
3. At his earliest convenience, e.g. during a break,
the chair should consider prioritizing agenda
requests by reordering the agenda. Participants
may reorder the agenda in consultation with the
chair.
4. At the end of the day, items are either promoted
to the summary above for use the next day or
dropped.
2. Metadata Architecture: [36]ISSUE-62
(UniformAccessToMetadata-62): Uniform Access to Metadata
+ [37]ACTION-281 on Ashok Malhotra: Keep an eye on progress
of link header draft, report to TAG, warn us of problems
+ [38]ACTION-336 on Ashok Malhotra: Prep Metadata
Architecture for Dec f2f - pending review
o [39]Web Linking (Common registry and the HTTP Link
header) (required reading)
o [40]Well-Known URIs (required reading)
o [41]Host-meta (required reading)
o [42]LRDD (required reading)
Note Eran's 13 Nov [43]status update (required reading) on
these drafts (which were in reply to a [44]13 Nov 2009
email from Ashok).
+ Note [45]ISSUE-36 Web site metadata improving on
robots.txt, w3c/p3p and favicon etc., esp. Roy Fielding's
[46]proposal that ""well-known" addresses should be limited
to stuff that must be known before a regular resource
access, such as robots and P3P, or are an efficiency
replacement for regular access, like sitemap".
3. Web Application Architecture: Security
+ [47]ACTION-331 on Dan Connolly: Consider ways to track the
'confused deputy problem' issue in webapps/cors (note: this
action was self-assigned by Dan to reduce the risk that
he'd forget to follow up)
o Note: Tyler Close and Mark Miller [48]offered to the
W3C Web Applications working group on 20 Nov 2009, and
then slightly [49]revised a proposal titled
[50]Uniform Messaging, Level One (required reading).
There is a useful thread following from the
[51]initial announcement. Also, Dan Connolly
[52]announced this work on www-tag, eliciting an
interesting [53]response from Jonathan Rees.
+ [54]ACTION-323 on Dan Connolly: Ask Thomas for a report
form the security BOF
o Right now, what we have are [55]rough BOF notes
scribed by Anne van Kesteren
o Dan has [56]asked Thomas Roessler and public-ietf-w3c
about availability of a more formal meeting record,
and suggested that TLR might want to join us for
teleconference or F2F discussion (Dan is checking with
TLR regarding F2F availability.)
+ [57]ACTION-280 on Dan Connolly: (with John K) to enumerate
some CSRF scenarios discussed in Jun in Cambridge - due
2010-01-01 - open (note, this is due after our F2F, and is
included here for completeness)
4. Web Application Architecture
+ [58]ACTION-306 on Ashok Malhotra: Work with Raman, LM, JK
to update Web Application architecture outline based on
discussions at TAG meetings
+ Ashok [59]announces availability of [60]From Web Content to
Applications by Ashok Malhotra, Larry Masinter, T.V. Raman
(required reading). This document will provide the outline
for discussion in this session.
+ From our September F2F discussion of Web Application
Architecture, we linked this proposed [61]Draft Table of
Contents for TAG work on Web Architecture for Web
Applications [required reading] (this was a revision to a
[62]version from our June F2F.)
5. Metadata Architecture: [63]ISSUE-63: Metadata Architecture for
the Web
+ [64]ACTION-282 on Jonathan Rees: Draft a finding on
metadata architecture. - due 2009-12-01 - open
+ [65]ACTION-337 on Larry Masinter: frame the F2F agenda and
preparation on metadata formats/representations - due
2009-12-01 - open
+ Note: email thread beginning with email from Ashok titled
[66]f2f planning - Issue 63
6. Metadata Architecture (HTTP Semantics): [67]ISSUE-57
(HttpRedirections-57): The use of HTTP Redirection
+ [68]ACTION-201 on Jonathan Rees: Report on status of AWWSW
discussions - due 2009-12-01 - open
+ [69]Summary of current state of httpRedirections-57
(required reading) 15 Jun 2009
+ [70]ACTION-116 on Tim Berners-Lee: Align the tabulator
internal vocabulary with the vocabulary in the rules
http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules, getting changes
to either as needed. - due 2009-12-10 - open
7. [71]ISSUE-53 (genericResources-53): Generic resources
+ [72]ACTION-231 on Larry Masinter: Draft replacement for
\"how to use conneg\" stuff in HTTP spec - pending review
See [73]email thread.
+ [74]ACTION-232 on Henry S. Thompson: Follow-up to
Hausenblas once there's a draft of HTTPbis which has advice
on conneg - due 2009-12-01 - open Note: our discussions of
ACTION-231 will likely inform our response for ACTION-232.
o [75]Question on the boundaries of content negotiation
in the context of the Web of Data Michael Hausenblas
12 Feb 2009
8. HTML 5 review: [76]ISSUE-24 (contentTypeOverride-24): Can a
specification include rules for overriding HTTPcontent type
parameters?
+ [77]ACTION-308 on John Kemp: Propose updates to
Authoritative Metadata and Self-Describing Web to
acknowledge the reality of sniffing, due 2009-10-20 - due
2009-12-25 - open
9. HTML 5 review: [78]ISSUE-20 (errorHandling-20): What should
specifications say about error handling?
+ [79]ACTION-309 on Henry S. Thompson: Henry to bring back
proposed TAG pushback on sniffing and HTTP bis draft
[80]http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/export/663/d
raft-ietf-httpbis/latest/p3-payload.html, or his
recommendation that we leave it alone - pending review
[81]Proposal from Henry that HTTPbis editors reopen their
Ticket #155 and followup discussion in that thread (all
required reading)]
10. HTML 5 review: [82]ISSUE-33 (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33):
Composability for user interface-oriented XML namespaces
+ [83]ACTION-332 on Dan Connolly: Note that the HTML 5 spec
has a proposed design for mixing in SVG and MathML, which
is said to be the scope of IsSUE-33 mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
- pending review. (This is scheduled at F2F in part because
Tim and Noah weren't there for earlier discussions; need to
update them on progress.)
11. HTML 5 review: [84]ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54): Tag soup
integration
+ [85]ACTION-327 on Henry S. Thompson: Review Microsoft's
namespaces in HTML 5 proposal - pending review [86]Henry's
review (required reading) and responses in that thread]
+ Henry Thompson has posted to the TAG blog a proposal
[87]Default Prefix Declaration (required reading). There is
interesting discussion in the blog comments (required
reading).
+ [88]ACTION-335 on Dan Connolly: Remind us about data-* when
progress on distributed extensibility next becomes
available - due 2010-01-01 - open
12. HTML 5 review: References to versioned specs (#15 in our
[89]HTML 5 review topics) etc.
+ [90]ACTION-303 on Henry S. Thompson: Draft text on writing
references - pending review [91]Henry's proposal (required
reading)]
+ [92]ACTION-304 on Larry Masinter: Write up issue around
normative references to particular versions of specs -
pending review (Note: Dan changed the status of this to
pending review)
13. HTML 5 review: misc.
+ For reference: [93]Prioritized list of HTML-related issues,
originally developed at Sept. 2009 F2F. (An Open Document
Format [94].ods version and an Excel [95].xls version are
also available.)
+ [96]ACTION-334 on Henry S. Thompson: Start an email thread
regarding the treatment of pre-HTML5 versions in the media
type registration text of HTML5 - pending review
[97]Proposal from Henry (required reading) and responses
in that thread]
+ [98]ACTION-326 on Henry S. Thompson: track HTML WG progress
on their bug 8154 on polyglot documents - due 2009-12-05 -
open
+ [99]ACTION-302 on Noah Mendelsohn: Raise (as individual
issue) question of 3 words "other applicable specifictions"
in 3.2.1 (3.3.1) of HTML 5 - due 2010-01-12 - open
+ [100]ACTION-292 on Noah Mendelsohn: Alert group to review
HTML Authoring Drafts - pending review. Noah would like to
suggest that the TAG assign someone to read Ian Hickson's
authoring draft.
14. [101]ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): URIs, URNs, "location
independent" naming systems and associated registries for naming
on the Web
+ [102]ACTION-311 on Noah Mendelsohn: Schedule discussion of
a persistent domain name policy promotion - due 2009-11-10
- pending review (The chair believes that Tim and perhaps
others, will be interested in discussing this at the F2F.)
+ [103]ACTION-312 on Jonathan Rees: Find a path thru the
specs that I think contradicts Dan's reading of webarch -
pending review [Jonathan now suggests that this action was
[104]based on mistaken assumptions and should be
closed/abandoned.]
+ [105]ACTION-121 on Henry S. Thompson: HT to draft TAG input
to review of draft ARK RFC - due 2009-12-01 - open
+ [106]ACTION-33 on Henry S. Thompson: revise naming
challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion -
due 2009-12-04 - open
15. [107]ISSUE-34 (xmlFunctions-34): XML Transformation and
composability (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption)
+ [108]ACTION-239 on Henry S. Thompson: alert chair when
updates to description of xmlFunctions-34 are ready for
review (or if none made) - due 2009-12-01 - open. Dan has
suggested to the chair that we should at least discuss
related developments in the XML Processing model (reference
please?)
+ [109]ACTION-113 on Henry S. Thompson: HT to a) revise
composition.pdf to take account of suggestions from Tim &
Jonathan and feedback from email and b) produce a new
version of the Elaborated Infoset finding, possibly
incorporating some of the PDF - due 2010-01-01 - open
16. Admin: Upcoming Teleconferences, Bulk Action Review
(time permitting; perhaps do this during breaks or even in the 3
Dec telcon)
+ [110]ACTION-277 on Noah Mendelsohn: Ensure patent policy
issue is resolved with Art - pending review
+ [111]ACTION-283 on Larry Masinter: Update document on
version identifiers w.r.t. Cambridge June discussion -
pending review
+ [112]ACTION-23 on Henry S. Thompson: track progress of #int
bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML
Schema WG - due 2009-12-08 - open
+ [113]ACTION-278 on Jonathan Rees: Draft changes to 2.7 of
Metadata in URIs to cover the "Google Calendar" case - due
2009-12-10 - open
+ [114]ACTION-318 on Noah Mendelsohn: Send note to Device
APIs and Policy (DAP) Working Group on behalf of the TAG -
due 2009-11-20 - open
+ [115]ACTION-321 on Larry Masinter: lightly edit TAG input
to DAP WG per 8 Oct and tell Noah - due 2009-11-20 - open
(see also [116]input from Jonathan Rees)
+ [117]ACTION-163 on Henry S. Thompson: Coordinate with Ted
to build a sample catalog - due 2009-12-10 - open
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[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/330
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/webAppsTOC-20090921
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/5
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html#agenda
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/62
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/281
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/336
[39] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-06
[40] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-site-meta-04
[41] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-hostmeta-04
[42] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-discovery-03
[43]
http://www.w3.org/mid/90C41DD21FB7C64BB94121FBBC2E7234378510302F@P3PW5EX1MB01.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET
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[48]
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[49]
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[50]
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[51]
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[56]
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[65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/337
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[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201
[69] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0057.html
[70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/116
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[73] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Nov/0069.html
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/232
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Feb/0074.html
[76] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/24
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/308
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/20
[79] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/309
[80]
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/export/663/draft-ietf-httpbis/latest/p3-payload.html
[81] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0006.html
[82] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/33
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[85] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/327
[86] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Nov/0039.html
[87] http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/11/default_prefix_declaration.html
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[92] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/304
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[95] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/HTMLIssues.xls
[96] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/334
[97] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Dec/0013.html
[98] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/326
[99] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/302
[100] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/292
[101] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[102] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/311
[103] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/312
[104] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Sep/0068.html
[105] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/121
[106] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/33
[107] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34
[108] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/239
[109] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/113
[110] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/277
[111] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/283
[112] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23
[113] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/278
[114] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/318
[115] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/321
[116] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Nov/0089.html
[117] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/163
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