- From: Nick Gall <nick.gall@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:51:01 -0400
- To: "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org>
- Cc: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@ihmc.us>, "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>, "Technical Architecture Group WG" <www-tag@w3.org>, "Susie Stephens" <susie.stephens@gmail.com>
- Message-ID: <a6a6df360709211151m460f4225k50778b8f0938429a@mail.gmail.com>
Since we're quoting favorite philiosophers, let me quote one of mine: Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (1922) Introduction: Das Buch behandelt die philosophischen Probleme und zeigt -- wie ich glaube -- daß die Fragestellung dieser Probleme auf dem Mißverständnis der Logik unserer Sprache beruht. Man könnte den ganzen Sinn des Buches etwa in die Worte fassen: Was sich überhaupt sagen läßt, läßt sich klar sagen; und wovon man nicht reden kann, darüber muß man schweigen. The book deals with the problems of philosophy and shows, as I believe, that the method of formulating these problems rests on the misunderstanding of the logic of our language. Its whole meaning could be summed up somewhat as follows: What can be said at all can be said clearly; and whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent. Which raises the question, is the following a valid URL? www.wittgenstein.name/that-whereof-one-cannot-speak This is a URL that refers to the space of non-things, or at least the the space of that which cannot be desscribed. I suppose it is an alias for www.bu-fu.name/what-there-is-that-isnt <grin> -- Nick On 9/20/07, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote: > > > Pat Hayes scripsit: > > > And I'm sorry, but the above is not a definition: it is an > > explanation of why no definition is possible. A definition of something > > distinguishes it from things it is not. In this case there is nothing > > it is not. > > I know. Isn't that wonderful? > > Ray Smullyan, my favorite philosopher, quotes one of his favorite > philosophers, Chi Po (not the real painter, but a fictional version of > him in a book by Oscar Mandel, and why not?) The sorcerer Bu Fu says to > the child Chi Po "You have merely painted what is! The real secret is to > paint what isn't". Chi Po, puzzled, "But what is there that there isn't?" > > Or as W.v.O. Quine, one of my other favorite philosophers, puts it, > the subject matter of ontology is simple: it asks the question "What is > there?" and replies "Everything!" > > > The correct English word to use here is not "resource" or "subject" - > > both of which already have particular meanings, which are here being > > explicitly denied - but 'entity' or 'thing'. > > But as you now know, "thing" is too narrow a term. > > > But in fact, neither of these is quite right either, since unicorns > > are not things. (At best they might be said to be 'possible things', > > aka possibilia.) > > There are no such things as unicorns (I'm fairly sure), but unicorns > are the *subjects* of quite a lot of talk. And that's what the term > "subject", and its definition, serve to do: they keep us firmly grounded > in the world of what we think about and talk about, not on the world of > objects that we say (perhaps on sufficient grounds, perhaps not) exist. > In the beginning was the word. > > > Rather, what these definitions are struggling to say is that the name > > is being used without any regard for its referent. > > Not at all. The referent of the word "unicorn" is unicorns. When I > talk of unicorns, I am not talking of nothing, just because there are > no unicorns -- any more than when I talk of having a heart (physical, > non-metaphorical) I am talking of having a liver, even though {X|X has > a heart} and {X|X has a liver} turn out to be the same sets. > > -- > John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan > It's the old, old story. Droid meets droid. Droid becomes chameleon. > Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back > again. It's a classic tale. --Kryten, Red Dwarf > > -- Nick Gall Phone: +1.781.608.5871 AOL IM: Nicholas Gall Yahoo IM: nick_gall_1117 MSN IM: (same as email) Google Talk: (same as email) Email: nick.gall AT-SIGN gmail DOT com Weblog: http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/ Furl: http://www.furl.net/members/ngall
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