- From: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:00:16 -0400
- To: "Booth, David (HP Software - Boston)" <dbooth@hp.com>
- Cc: "Dan Brickley" <danbri@danbri.org>, "Chris Bizer" <chris@bizer.de>, www-tag@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org, "Linking Open Data" <linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>
On 7/23/07, Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) <dbooth@hp.com> wrote: > > From: Mark Baker > > > > . . . I *fully* agree > > that the representations returned from all four of those URIs > > are *about* Tim, I just don't believe that makes them the same > > resource. > > This is confusing for a couple of reasons. First, because each URI for > TimBL (a non-information resource) involves a secondary URI for an > information resource that serves a declaration of the first URI. So it > isn't clear which URIs you're talking about, as referring to "the same > resource". Any of them, it doesn't matter for the purposes of my argument. So if there's eight URIs in total, I claim that none of them directly identify the same resource. To elaborate further, I'm not saying that the publishers of those URIs cannot assert "This URI (directly) identifies Tim". Of course they can. Let's even assume they've done so. But now let's step back and look at those assertions in the aggregate, as an independent observer. Do they all directly identify the same resource? Well, if they did, then they would all be aliases (the word Chris used in his initial question) such that each URI would be able to be substituted for any of the others in all contexts. Right? Consider though, that URI #1 could also be used to indirectly identify "An example dbpedia.org page", or "A document containing the string 'Depiction of Tim Berners-Lee", but you couldn't say the same thing about any of the other URIs. Therefore they are not aliases and so do not all directly identify the same resource. I suppose that's just a long-winded way of pointing out that each of us means something different by "Tim" (even the "independent observer"). We all have the same physical person in mind, but we each introduce our own biases in the information we publish about him, and that's what makes our URIs directly identify different resources. On the upside, all those URIs can still be used to *indirectly* identify Tim. FWIW, I'm not certain if that explanation is consistent with REST or not. It's not directly covered by the dissertation AFAICT, nor have I heard Roy say anything about how agency affects direct and indirect identification. But it makes sense to me based on my understanding of REST and my experiences applying it. I hope Roy will correct me if I'm wrong. Mark. -- Mark Baker. Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. http://www.markbaker.ca Coactus; Web-inspired integration strategies http://www.coactus.com
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