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Re: Thoughts on top-level domains, esp. .mobi

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:13:47 +0200
Message-ID: <821215792.20040506121347@w3.org>
To: "Peter F Brown" <peter@justbrown.net>
Cc: "'Bullard, Claude L (Len)'" <clbullar@ingr.com>, "'Tim Berners-Lee'" <timbl@w3.org>, <www-tag@w3.org>

On Thursday, May 6, 2004, 11:33:54 AM, Peter wrote:

PFB> Given that the current top level domains already consist of non
PFB> mutually-exclusive sets, I don't see why the TAG should get exercised about
PFB> the issue at all.

PFB> Either we re-engineer from the bottom: but no-one is going to stop the world
PFB> while we get off and fix it; or we accept that there is no coherent taxonomy
PFB> from a single root, and it's thus a free-for-all.

I agree with you on the taxonomy side (and I think that is part of
timBL's point too, that the dns is not and should not be a dewey
decimal system).

On the other hand, you don't typically have to use a different browser
or a different OS to get to .org as opposed to .com addresses. Its the
"oh, you can't use that URI I gave you because I am on a phone and you
are ona desktop' aspect that worries us.

PFB> Sorry for sounding cynical, but it's a bit late in the day. The best you can
PFB> ask for is damage-limitation and some valid "useful" criteria for accepting
PFB> or rejecting new proposals

PFB> Peter Brown

PFB> | -----Original Message-----
PFB> | From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org] 
PFB> | On Behalf Of Bullard, Claude L (Len)
PFB> | Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:47 PM
PFB> | To: 'Tim Berners-Lee'; 'www-tag@w3.org'
PFB> | Subject: RE: Thoughts on top-level domains, esp. .mobi
PFB> | 
PFB> | 
PFB> | While agreeing in whole to the position that it is actively 
PFB> | harmful to divide web addressing into device-centric domains, 
PFB> | the comment
PFB> | 
PFB> | .."it is unwise, as an architectural principle, to put 
PFB> | semantics into names"
PFB> | 
PFB> | is a little over the top if considered outside the context of 
PFB> | web naming which it is assumed, subsumes 
PFB> | any namespace used on the web (the tree model).   In contrast to
PFB> | trademarks as brands, service or test marks are created 
PFB> | precisely to assign semantics to a name typically through the 
PFB> | pairing of the mark with conformance tests that prove that 
PFB> | the test article is a conformant instance.  In such an 
PFB> | application of a name, a tight coupling of semantics and a 
PFB> | name is the precise intent.  Were service marks a tree 
PFB> | system, one would encounter the problems you note.
PFB> | 
PFB> | Good article.
PFB> | 
PFB> | len
PFB> | 
PFB> | 
PFB> | From: Tim Berners-Lee [mailto:timbl@w3.org]
PFB> | 
PFB> | In writing up some problems as I see them with the proposed 
PFB> | .mobi top level domain, I found i had half the document full 
PFB> | of general reasons why new domains are a bad idea, which 
PFB> | would apply to many if not all of the new proposals, and the 
PFB> | other half specific problems with .mobi.
PFB> | 
PFB> | The writeup is at http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TLD
PFB> | 
PFB> | Comments welcome -- I intend to send it to the formal comment 
PFB> | list next week.
PFB> | This is a personal view only.  It is not a W3c view.  I would 
PFB> | recommend that others also send their feelings to the official list.
PFB> | 
PFB> | 
PFB> | Tim Berners-Lee
PFB> | 
PFB> | 
PFB> | ICANN Public comment form:
PFB> | 	
PFB> |
PFB> http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/stld-public-comments.htm
PFB> | 
PFB> |
PFB> 	http://www.icann.org/tlds/new-stld-rfp/new-stld-rfp-24jun03.htm
PFB> | 
PFB> | General comments:
PFB> | 	stld-rfp-general@icann.org
PFB> | 
PFB> | 

 Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
 Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
 Member, W3C Technical Architecture Group
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