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[Minutes] 5 Jan 2004 TAG teleconf (Year 2004, issue/action review, Process Doc)

From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:30:11 -0500
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Minutes of the TAG's 5 Jan 2004 teleconf are available
as HTML [1] and as text below. 

 - Ian

[1] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/05-tag-summary


                 Minutes of 5 January 2004 TAG teleconference

1. Administrative (15min)

    1. Roll call: SW (Chair), TBL, DC, NW, TB, DO, PC, IJ (Scribe).
       Absent: CL, RF
       TB noted that he has changed affiliation.
    2. Accepted minutes of the [9]15 Dec teleconf.
    3. Accepted this [10]agenda.
    4. Next meeting: 12 Jan 2004
    5. Upcoming meeting with I18N representatives: 19 Jan 2004.
    6. DC reminded the TAG that the next W3C/IETF joint meeting is
       scheduled for 6 February.

      [9] http://www.w3.org/2003/12/15-tag-summary.html
     [10] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/05-tag.html

  1.1 Video meeting in Feb 2003

    1. Action SW/PC 2003/11/10: Explore possibility of TAG videolink TAG
       distributed meeting in February.
       SW: Not much to report.

  1.2 Technical Plenary

    1. Continued action SW 2003/11/15: Take to tech plenary committee the
       TAG's proposal.


          SW: The idea of debate around web arch got some favorable
          response. I need to continue to work on setting up liaisons
          with other groups.
          IJ: I need to work on ftf meeting page; with liaisons.
          TBL: I cannot attend ftf meeting in Cannes.

          is isight a possibility?

          TBL: I will be working, however. Could attend by video.

          (Stuart, yes, let's do talk about TP liaison foo; I'm
          interested to help; perhaps right after this call)

  1.3 New Year Planning

    1. Reflection on 2003; goals for 2004.
    2. Face-to-face meeting schedule

          [Support for long-term planning from PC, DC, NW]
          Action PC: Propose meeting schedule for next 4 (or so) TAG ftf
          meetings. Due: 12 Jan 2004.

          SW: Arch Doc to Rec, close more issues.
          DC: We occasionally bump up against QA boundary. We had some
          gratifying impact within the W3C community (e.g., SOAP, Voice).
          My goal for 2004 is to see some Web sites changed. Once in a
          while, people talk about w3c-certified engineers. The advogado
          model (open source developers) of peer review is interesting to
          me. I'd like to reproduce that phenomenon around people who
          build arch-happy Web sites.

          TBray: One idea came up at town hall in Philadelphia. I am
          troubled by the fact that we don't have a conformance section
          in the Arch Doc. We could produce a Web arch conformance
          statement template.
          [IJ: Check out what UAAG 1.0 does on this front:
          [11]http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#Conformance ]
          TBray: I'd also like to make progress on RDDL and formalizing
          the notion of a Web site.
          PC: I think that my first priority is to get arch doc to Rec.
          We need to scope out what our next technical work will be
          beyond that. I'd like to have the current arch doc to Rec and a
          sketch of next version for Nov 2004 AC meeting.

     [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#Conformance

          (path from [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ to
          / is longer than I'd like)

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/

          Action IJ: Add public-webarch-comments to list of mailing lists
          on TAG home page.

  1.4 Process questions

   The TAG discussed some proposed changes to the W3C Process Document
   regarding TAG participation.

2. Technical (75min)

  2.1 How close are we to accepting these findings?

   See also [14]TAG findings.
     * [15]draft finding from NW on QNames on qnames
       NW: I will have a new draft by close of business ET on 7 Jan.
     * [16]contentTypeOverride-24: 10 Dec 2003 draft of [17]Client
       handling of MIME headers
       SW sent comments ([18]1, [19]2).
       SW: I think that "not ready to go" review.
       IJ: I will have responded to SW's comments by 16 Jan 2004.

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/qnameids-2003-11-03
     [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentTypeOverride-24
     [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect.html
     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Dec/0189.html
     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Dec/0196.html

  2.2 Status report on these findings

     * [20]contentPresentation-26: Draft finding: [21]Separation of
       semantic and presentational markup, to the extent possible, is
       architecturally sound
     * [22]metadataInURI-31
       SW: I'd like to have new version by end of Jan 2004.
     * [23]siteData-36
       TB: I will commit to doing my action item by next week.
     * [24]abstractComponentRefs-37
       Completed action IJ 2003/11/03: Publish DO's latest draft in
       finding format ([25]Done)

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
     [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26-20030630.html
     [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31
     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#siteData-36
     [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Nov/0008.html


          DO: No change from where we were 2-3 weeks ago. WSDL WG had
          taken our suggestions to heart. Remaining question about syntax
          (of frag ids): where to specify this. Question of where the
          frag id syntax dfns would go.
          TBL: Spec should define the frag id sem/syn normatively.
          DO: The thought was that since this was raised during RDF
          review, that it be related to that material. I pushed back on
          that approach since I think the issue is larger.

          DC: Is WSDL planning to register a media type?

          DO: I think so

          IJ: Did my previous comments make it into a draft?

          DO: Yes.

          [There was some confusion about the latest draft of this
          finding, which is dated 30 Oct. DO and IJ to sort this out.]

          IJ: It has been my understanding that Martin has the ball on
          revising this [26]guidebook resource on registering media
          DC: Yes, he does. Next W3C/IETF meeting scheduled for 6 Feb.

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype

  2.3 Issues

   [27]Issues list

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html

   Issues that are open and that we expect to close by the end of last
     * [28]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6

                IJ: Three open actions.
                TBray: I thought that it was a shared observation of the
                state of reality (from HT) but not an objection.
                DC: I concur.
                [Review of other actions re: issue 6]
                NW: Even though I proposed on 4 Nov, I am revising based
                on another action.
                DO has two action items re: issue 6.
                DC: I'd like the WSDL WG to send a LC comment on our spec
                saying "We are happy with how you handled issue 6."

                (I feel some obligation to help DO get that to happen,

                DO action: "Propose some extra text for section 4.5 that
                hypertext agents often follow an IGNORE rule and this
                often results in incompatible behavior. Ignore applied to
                fragid interpretation."
                DC: I propose to withdraw; this was for LC draft.
                Resolved: Drop DO's action re: section 4.5 text for issue

     * [Ian]

                DC: Please continue. I'm counting in the same bucket Mark
                Baker's request for clarification (re: WSDL).
                [No sense of due date]
                DO action: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask them if
                marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their
                DO: I have completed this action (see [29]email to WSD
                WG). However, I have not seen an answer to my question.
                My current understanding is that the req is currently
                considered out-of-scope. Not sure if it will become

     [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0006.html

                (if he's not claiming victory, don't bug him for details)

     * [30]URIEquivalence-15

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#URIEquivalence-15

                Action SW: Track [31]RFC2396bis (version 3) where Tim
                Bray text has been integrated. Comment within the IETF
                SW: There has been an update, I think.
                DC to TBL: Do you know what's being published in your
                TBL: I haven't read the latest one.
                DC: Likely to be on the 6 Feb IETF/W3C meeting agenda.
                SW: Version 3 of RFC2396 expired in Dec.

     [31] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fielding-uri-rfc2396bis-03.txt

                URI CG homepage should have current state

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/12/URI/

                Version after v 3:

     [33] http://www.apache.org/~fielding/uri/rev-2002/rfc2396bis.html

                redirects to

     [34] http://gbiv.com/protocols/uri/rev-2002/rfc2396bis.html

                Action TBL: Review RFC2396 bis (current Editor's Draft)
                in preparation for IETF/W3C coordination meeting 6 Feb.

     * [35]errorHandling-20
       Resolved: Close CL's action item for this issue based on [36]Rob
       Lanphier's reply.
       DC: I'd like Rob to send comments to public-webarch-comments.
     * [37]contentTypeOverride-24

     [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#errorHandling-20
     [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Dec/0183.html
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#contentTypeOverride-24

  2.4 Other action items

     * Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.
     * Action DC 2003/11/15: Follow up on KeepPOSTRecords with Janet Daly
       on how to raise awareness of this point (which is in CUAP).
       DC: Please continue.
     * Action CL 2003/10/27: Draft XML mime type thingy with Murata-san
       DC: I expect the draft xml mime draft to be on IETF/W3C liaison
       agenda. I hope CL will be there.


    Ian Jacobs for Stuart Williams and TimBL
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