- From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:26:01 -0500
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Hello, Minutes of the TAG's 2 Feb 2004 teleconf are available as HTML [1] and as text below. _ Ian [1] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/02-tag-summary.html ======================================================== Minutes of 2 February 2004 TAG teleconference 1. Administrative (20min) 1. Roll call: SW, TBL, DC (Scribe), NW, CL, PC, RF, MJ, IJ. Regrets: DO, TB The TAG welcomed the newest TAG participant: Mario Jeckle. Mario is involved in Web Services Choreography, some Semantic Web stuff, and a Grid services project, as well as other Working Groups (XML Schema, WSA, DI, XMLP). 2. Resolved to accept minutes of the [8]26 Jan teleconf 3. Accepted this [9]agenda 4. Reminder: No meeting 16 Feb. 5. Proposed next meeting: 9 Feb 2004 Videoconf. See [10]agenda proposal from SW [DanC_desk] [8] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/26-tag-summary.html [9] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/02-tag.html [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Feb/0001.html ... discussion of whether namespaceDocument-8 merits discussion time... seems to merit ~ 1/2 hr... ... noting TBray's regrets SW reviews 9Feb agenda proposal... we seem to be closing about 2 or 3 issues per year; perhaps clustering would help DC: initial reaction: let's move admin out of our time together SW: pls help me flesh out the technical stuff. DC: will do/try PC: how about pending last call comments? DanC_desk: please don't put Ian in the critical path for responding to comments 1.1 Technical Plenary 1. Liaisons: In principle agreements and scheduling (see [11]email from Stuart): 1. I18N 2. XML Schema 3. SVG 4. HTML. See [12]notes from IJ 5. Voice. See [13]notes from IJ 6. XML Core 7. WSDL 2. Action SW 2003/11/15: Take to tech plenary committee the TAG's proposal. See [14]proposal from Stuart. 3. TAG ftf meeting observer requests (see [15]email from SW) 4. [16]TAG 2 Mar 2004 ftf meeting page [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0080.html [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0078.html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0087.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0072.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0074.html [16] http://www.w3.org/2004/03/02-tag-mtg.html [DanC_desk] SW: CL, do you expect I18N stuff to merit ftf time in Cannes? CL: no, I suppose not SW: SVG? CL: the SVG WG wants to meet and talk about linking, mixed namespaces ACTION CL: propose a time for SVG/TAG to meet in Cannes SW: XML Core? I suppose not [Zakim] Chris, you wanted to say "I thought we decided not to discuss linking at tp" [DanC_desk] CL, RF express interest in presenting webarch to Tech Plenary SW: I expect TAG members participate in other panels for the next few hours 1.1/3 TAG ftf meeting observer requests SW: sent mail; no negative commentary; intend to say OK to the few requests I see 1.1/4 TAG 2 Mar 2004 ftf meeting page. noted. 1.2 TAG meeting schedule in 2004 1. Action PC 2004/01/05: Propose meeting schedule for next 4 (or so) TAG ftf meetings. Due: 23 Jan 2004. ([17]Proposal from PC) [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0077.html [DanC_desk] PC in sum: May (week before AC/WWW conf), ... PC I see responses from just three... CL I think I replied... SW: in sum, ftf May, July, Nov [Chris] CL actually replied privately to Paul and will send a reply to the list [Norm] Note that XML 2004 is in November this year [DanC_desk] TBL: possible conflict with Ottowa [timbl] [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0077.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0077.html [DanC_desk] NW: 12-14 May is what I see from PC's mail SW: I see conflicts with that NW: I propose 24-26 May. [Stuart] [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html [DanC_desk] "Wed-Fri May 12-14, F2F, Location TBD, (host TBD)" -- [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html PC: so we're still collecting input. [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html 2. Technical (70min) See also [21]open actions by owner and [22]open issues. [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1 2.1 Update on findings * [23]qnameAsId-18 + 14 Jan 2004 draft finding "[24]Using Qualified Names (QNames) as Identifiers in Content" + Action CL, TB, TBL 2004/01/26: Read finding. CL, TBL: No progress. * [25]contentTypeOverride-24: + 27 Jan 2004 draft finding "[26]Client handling of MIME headers" + See [27]comments from SW + See [28]comments from RF (arrived after meeting). + PC: I'm working on IJ's request for specific wording. Discussion of whether choice of browser is relevant to giving assent * [29]siteData-36 + "[30]There is no such thing as a Web site" [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#qnameAsId-18 [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/qnameids-2004-01-14 [25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentTypeOverride-24 [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect-20040127.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Feb/0007.html [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Feb/0008.html [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#siteData-36 [30] http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/01/08/WebSite36 2.2 New issue: xmlChunk-44 * Action TBL 2004/01/05: Propose a new issue regarding canonicalization to www-tag ([31]Done). PC to respond with pointers to relevant specifications ([32]Done). [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0015.html [DanC_desk] SW: I wonder if this is something we should perhaps encourage XML Core to take this up TBL: yes, that is the question... TBL reviews [33]0013...] [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html [DanC_desk] timbl: [... coordination... which group needs what? etc. ...] [Norm] Can I suggest that someone setup a meeting with SemWeb CG, I18N, and me? [DanC_desk] TBL and PC discuss canonicalization, equivalence ... PC: ... fn:deep-equal in XQuery ... one man's equal is another man's unequal... ... more discussion ... ... schema-aware canonicalization, wisdom thereof... DC parenthetically: I'm tempted to summarize input from PC and TBL as: yes, pls make this a TAG issue. clearly they're happy to talk about it in the presence of other TAG members. [timbl] Yes, defining a more acceptable canonicalization which picks up, for example, the language, base, and namespaces and puts if necessary a wrapper is a possible solution to this problem. [Zakim] DanC_desk, you wanted to offer to think out loud [timbl] Straw poll: New issue? Defn of issue: [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.ht ml [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html [timbl] Need for a canonicaliztion at the XML + NS syntax level. [Chris] yes, that is clear enough (the discussion on the telcon was not clear enough to poll on) [DanC_desk] CL: based on 113, looks worth a TAG issue [Ian_] (next available # is 44) [Chris] its an issue. 'how long is a piece of string' is an issue, but that doesn't mean there is a single answer. Is the answer to "is x=y" is "why do you need to know" [Ian] Description? Short name? [DanC_desk] PROPOSED: xmlChunk-44 [timbl] Support for XMLChunk-44: NW, RF, PC, DC, TBL, SW, MJ, CL [DanC_desk] RESOLVED. there is a new issue: xmlChunk-44 [timbl] A new issue is born, and takes its place in the crowd of issues. Title: "Chunk of XML" - Canonicalization and equality [Chris] +1 to meeting with xml core [DanC_desk] PC: reconsider our disinclination to meet with XML Core in Cannes? [timbl] Metadata for issues list: iss:xmlChunk_44 dc:title "Chunk of XML - Canonicalization and equality"; mtg:raised <[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.h tml>; mtg:discussed <>. [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html [Norm] ACTION NW: Coordinate joint meeting with XML Core, notably around xmlChunk-44. 2.3 Follow-up on Internationalization Issues * [36]charmodReview-17 1. [37]actions 2. TAG finding related to adoption of Charmod? See [38]mail from TBL * [39]URIEquivalence-15 * [40]IRIEverywhere-27 [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#charmodReview-17 [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions.html#charmodReview-17 [38] http://www.w3.org/mid/361483C6-96E6-11D7-9C47-000393914268@w3.org [39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#URIEquivalence-15 [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#IRIEverwhere-27 [Chris] [41]http://www.w3.org/2002/06/charmod-lastcall2/ [41] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/charmod-lastcall2/ [Stuart] [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Feb/0008.html [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Feb/0008.html [DanC_desk] CL: reviews 0008, proposes we accept C128 [Norm] That was from long ago, Stuart. It sounded reasonable to me. [DanC_desk] ACTION CL: respond as proposed DC: If we made a decision, Connolly abstained. _________________________________________________________________ The TAG did not discuss topics below this line at this meeting. 2.4 Follow-up on namespaceDocument-8 * [43]namespaceDocument-8 1. [44]RDDL2 Background from Tim Bray. 2. [45]grokRDDL.xsl mapping to RDF from Dan Connolly. [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#namespaceDocument-8 [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0045.html [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0026.html 3. Issues Issues that are open and that we expect to close by the end of last call: * [46]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6 * [47]whenToUseGet-7 * [48]contentTypeOverride-24 [46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6 [47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#whenToUseGet-7 [48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?view=normal&closed=1#contentTypeOverride-24 4. Status report on these findings See also [49]TAG findings * [50]abstractComponentRefs-37: + 30 Oct 2003 draft finding "[51]Abstract Component References" * [52]contentPresentation-26: + 30 June 2003 draft finding "[53]Separation of semantic and presentational markup, to the extent possible, is architecturally sound" * [54]metadataInURI-31 [49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings [50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#abstractComponentRefs-37 [51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/abstractComponentRefs-20031030 [52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26 [53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26-20030630.html [54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31 5 Other action items * Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396. * Action DC 2003/11/15: Follow up on KeepPOSTRecords with Janet Daly on how to raise awareness of this point (which is in CUAP). * Action CL 2003/10/27: Draft XML mime type thingy with Murata-san _________________________________________________________________ Ian Jacobs for Stuart Williams and TimBL Last modified: $Date: 2004/02/03 04:11:33 $ -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 718 260-9447
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